Ikon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Also, when was the last time any other club signed one of Real Madrids best players at the very top of their game? I don't count Ronaldo as one of these. There cant be too many I imagine... Personally I dislike RM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Lack of crowd is huge Why isn't Ole banging on Woodward's door demanding a centre back and winger? Why didn't Jose bang on Woodward's door? This is the way transfers will be until the Glazers are gone. Poch won nothing at a team who win nothing. You're "Manchester Bloody United" though. But maybe that's the point. Maybe your fans have finally been conditioned to accept that you're not the greatest club in the world? We're the biggest club in the world, that doesn't give us the right to finish 1st every season. Of course the fans are realistic and understand a title challenge is still a brave bit off. But it's a lot closer than it ever was under any of the other managers IMO. It doesn't give you the right but every season you dont win the league is a massive failure, especially when you were light years from your two biggest rivals. Using Moyes, LVG and Jose's performances as an excuse for the next persons performances isnt right either. 3 managers failing, doesnt excuse more failure. Your other arguement is time and "progress", how long is "progress" allowed. I watched an Arsenal side, worse on paper, completely out play Man United at the weekend and a Spurs side smash you a couple of weeks ago. Also, time wont make OGS a good manager. You need a magic wand. The whole notion of needing time, is something made up by shite managers. With the resources Man United have, Rome should have been built by now. 3 poor managerial appointments since Fergie and when you make it 4 with OGS, everyone says "give him a chance". Makes zero sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Real Madrid are a bigger club. When they dont win the league, they see it as a massive failure and get rid of their managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Liverpool are a huge club. Almost as big as Real Madrid and Manchester United. Solskjaer just reached 100 games and has pretty much outdone Klopp's first 100 in every way from PPG, goals scored, goals conceded, win percentage etc. Why was Klopp not sacked? Their recruitment was massively on point whereas ours has been a failure the last few windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Real Madrid are a far bigger club than Man Utd. 10 more CL's and a lot more attractive to top players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Liverpool are a huge club. Almost as big as Real Madrid and Manchester United. Solskjaer just reached 100 games and has pretty much outdone Klopp's first 100 in every way from PPG, goals scored, goals conceded, win percentage etc. Why was Klopp not sacked? Their recruitment was massively on point whereas ours has been a failure the last few windows. Jurgen Klopp was regarded as one of the best coaches in the world at that point What is your style of play? I honestly can't see one at all. At least with Klopp you could see the progression. Solskjaer has probably done ok if you consider he's achieved nothing as a manager, but if Ed Woodward has any brains he'd sack him and go get Pochettino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Liverpool are a huge club. Almost as big as Real Madrid and Manchester United. Solskjaer just reached 100 games and has pretty much outdone Klopp's first 100 in every way from PPG, goals scored, goals conceded, win percentage etc. Why was Klopp not sacked? Their recruitment was massively on point whereas ours has been a failure the last few windows. Jurgen Klopp was regarded as one of the best coaches in the world at that point What is your style of play? I honestly can't see one at all. At least with Klopp you could see the progression. Solskjaer has probably done ok if you consider he's achieved nothing as a manager, but if Ed Woodward has any brains he'd sack him and go get Pochettino. So you say Solskjaer has done nothing as a manager and reckon Woodward should sack him to hire Pochettino who has done.... what exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Got Spurs to a Champions League final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Real Madrid are a far bigger club than Man Utd. 10 more CL's and a lot more attractive to top players So Ajax are a bigger club than Man United, Inter, Juventus etc. Honours are not how you define how big a club is. And we literally beat Real to a player just this summer despite being one of our worst periods of the last 30 years. Far bigger FFS. Catch yourself on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Got Spurs to a Champions League final So his best achievement in his entire career as a manager is finishing 2nd. Class. We should go all out for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2nd in the champions league is pretty impressive for a team like Spurs Although if you ask me i'd rather have a manager who got Cardiff relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 RM aren't far bigger imo, far from. They are without doubt a bigger club though. Using one player as an example, especially him is just Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2nd in the champions league is pretty impressive for a team like Spurs Although if you ask me i'd rather have a manager who got Cardiff relegated Fergie couldn't have saved Cardiff. An awful argument from desperate people. Spurs had an excellent team. They probably had 6/7 players that would have walked into our side. Kane, Son, Eriksen, Alderweireld, Vertonghen etc. "A team like Spurs" indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 RM aren't far bigger imo, far from. They are without doubt a bigger club though. Using one player as an example, especially him is just How is it "" Just using the most recent example. I haven't seen the latest stats but up until very recently despite our struggles on the pitch we generated more revenue. Have a much bigger global fanbase. Real Madrid have a much lower average attendance than us despite their capacity being bigger. They're not bigger at all. Unless you're going solely on honours. In which case, Rangers > Real Madrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Real Madrid are a far bigger club than Man Utd. 10 more CL's and a lot more attractive to top players So Ajax are a bigger club than Man United, Inter, Juventus etc. Honours are not how you define how big a club is. And we literally beat Real to a player just this summer despite being one of our worst periods of the last 30 years. Far bigger FFS. Catch yourself on. Real Madrid are far bigger. I don't see any metric where Man Utd are bigger. They've won 10 more CL's, not just 1 or 2. On Van de Beek, in his own words, "As you know I was around with Real Madrid and the clubs also had an agreement, but for some reason it did not go through. “Players who were going to leave, stayed and Madrid dropped out. Of course, you are annoyed at the beginning and you wonder if such a possibility will arise again." Doesn't sound like he chose Man Utd ahead of Real Madrid to me, the Real Madrid deal fell through and he settled for Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The vast majority of lists I can find say Real Madrid have more fans as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Real Madrid are a far bigger club than Man Utd. 10 more CL's and a lot more attractive to top players So Ajax are a bigger club than Man United, Inter, Juventus etc. Honours are not how you define how big a club is. And we literally beat Real to a player just this summer despite being one of our worst periods of the last 30 years. Far bigger FFS. Catch yourself on. Real Madrid are far bigger. I don't see any metric where Man Utd are bigger. They've won 10 more CL's, not just 1 or 2. On Van de Beek, in his own words, "As you know I was around with Real Madrid and the clubs also had an agreement, but for some reason it did not go through. “Players who were going to leave, stayed and Madrid dropped out. Of course, you are annoyed at the beginning and you wonder if such a possibility will arise again." Doesn't sound like he chose Man Utd ahead of Real Madrid to me, the Real Madrid deal fell through and he settled for Man Utd. See above for metrics. Bigger global fanbase, higher revenue the last 10 years despite finishing 6th and 7th. Real Madrid are regularly 10-15k short in their capacity. If they were as big as you say that would be sold out every week. We could upgrade our capacity to 100k and sell it out every week. That's the sign of being a bigger club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The vast majority of lists I can find say Real Madrid have more fans as well Yet can't sell out the ground... interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The vast majority of lists I can find say Real Madrid have more fans as well Yet can't sell out the ground... interesting. So selling out your ground is the main metric of how big a club you are? Dortmund are the biggest club in the world then Also are you admitting now that you were lying when you said Van de Beek chose Man Utd ahead of Real Madrid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Signed peak Ronaldo from you with all his peak years ahead of him. And you use Donny as an example, that's why the " ". You don't even know how much they wanted him, or if he chose you for a better chance of game time or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 The biggest club in the world should really get a better manager then, no? So you're 15th now, but you say you're progressing - how long do you give it? If you're still bottom half come January would you bin him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Signed peak Ronaldo from you with all his peak years ahead of him. And you use Donny as an example, that's why the " ". You don't even know how much they wanted him, or if he chose you for a better chance of game time or whatever. Its been established above that Donny went to Man Utd because the Real Madrid deal fell through, nothing to do with his personal choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 'Biggest club in the world' 15th in the PL, but Solskjaer doing a great job. Fantastic cognitive dissonance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Signed peak Ronaldo from you with all his peak years ahead of him. And you use Donny as an example, that's why the " ". You don't even know how much they wanted him, or if he chose you for a better chance of game time or whatever. Its been established above that Donny went to Man Utd because the Real Madrid deal fell through, nothing to do with his personal choice Oh even more.. Would have been a poor example anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Even Liverpool are a bigger club than Man United. Hence double the European trophies. Man U just have an inflated position thanks to the work of whiskeynose in an era when the PL grew exponentially and managed to attract loads of glory hunters from places like Northern Ireland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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