biggs Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Forgot England had another game tell you what this has been the best word cup since 94 for me with fast flowing footie and fuck defensive bollocks from most teams spoilt by our gormless bunch of imposters playing in the dark ages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Brasil is amazing. Bumped into some Nigeria fans outside a bar in Porto Alegre this evening, good lads but they seriously dislike Shola! England v Uruguay was disappointing of course but I had a great time in the stadium lounge from 1pm before and until 9pm after. Algeria v South Korea was most surprising, great game! Atmosphere like a big party. Next up is Nigeria v Argentina but tomorrow I'm also doing a tour of the Gremio stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Brasil is amazing. Bumped into some Nigeria fans outside a bar in Porto Alegre this evening, good lads but they seriously dislike Shola! England v Uruguay was disappointing of course but I had a great time in the stadium lounge from 1pm before and until 9pm after. Algeria v South Korea was most surprising, great game! Atmosphere like a big party. Next up is Nigeria v Argentina but tomorrow I'm also doing a tour of the Gremio stadium. On a scale of 1 - Neli Lennon, how badly you caught the sun out there? Don't think I'd cope tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Average of 3 goals per game this tournament. Highest since 1958 in Chile which is ludicrous. 1962 in Chile surely. '58 was Sweden. http://i.imgur.com/5h7kh.gif http://i.imgur.com/g1K01lU.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Brasil is amazing. Bumped into some Nigeria fans outside a bar in Porto Alegre this evening, good lads but they seriously dislike Shola! England v Uruguay was disappointing of course but I had a great time in the stadium lounge from 1pm before and until 9pm after. Algeria v South Korea was most surprising, great game! Atmosphere like a big party. Next up is Nigeria v Argentina but tomorrow I'm also doing a tour of the Gremio stadium. On a scale of 1 - Neli Lennon, how badly you caught the sun out there? Don't think I'd cope tbh Pretty low, mainly been down in Porto Alegre where it is winter and day time temperatures have varied from 10 to 22 degrees C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Average of 3 goals per game this tournament. Highest since 1958 in Chile which is ludicrous. 1962 in Chile surely. '58 was Sweden. http://i.imgur.com/5h7kh.gif Brazil won both. http://i.imgur.com/5h7kh.gif I knew that's how you f***ing knew. Honestly, I'm a bit shocked that Sewelly didn't know that. Maybe I'm just old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Giggs? http://i.minus.com/ibrwAJrdojkvDw.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Diego Costa letting his mask slip for a moment. Maniac motherfucker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 They've had some corkers Italy like. Gentile and Scirea. Baresi and Costacurta. Nesta and Cannavaro. Plus Facchetti, Bergomi and of course Maldini. They've been well over spoilt over the years. Ended up chatting to some Italian Juventus fan when I was on holiday and he said Scirea was the best of the lot. He's lived over here for about 40 years and was kicking off about how Pardew has ruined Santon whenever he has seen him play recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Looking forward to Italy Uruguay tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 They've had some corkers Italy like. Gentile and Scirea. Baresi and Costacurta. Nesta and Cannavaro. Plus Facchetti, Bergomi and of course Maldini. They've been well over spoilt over the years. Ended up chatting to some Italian Juventus fan when I was on holiday and he said Scirea was the best of the lot. He's lived over here for about 40 years and was kicking off about how Pardew has ruined Santon whenever he has seen him play recently. He was more cultured than Gentile but just as ruthless. He's right up there with Baresi et al. That Italian era kind of 78 - 82 they had some kickers. Romeo Benetti and Marco Tardelli to go with Scirea, Gentile, Cabrini and Collovati . All top players too mind. Cabrini was a top left back both defending and overlapping Conti. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. 10 years ago? Even 5. John Terry's probably higher up the best CB lists in the PL now than in his prime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. 10 years ago? Even 5. John Terry's probably higher up the best CB lists in the PL now than in his prime. Every foul these days seems to be a yellow. I know I am exaggerating somewhat but years ago you'd get away with far more. And I guess it didn't happen overnight and as such was a gradual change. So even the last 10 there's probably been a stricter policy by refs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 There are definitely too many bookings IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. 10 years ago? Even 5. John Terry's probably higher up the best CB lists in the PL now than in his prime. Every foul these days seems to be a yellow. I know I am exaggerating somewhat but years ago you'd get away with far more. And I guess it didn't happen overnight and as such was a gradual change. So even the last 10 there's probably been a stricter policy by refs. I would say thats its not so much the rule changes, but the expectation of what a centre back is to be. There has been a massive shift change in the way that centre backs are viewed and expected to be. Its not so much about size and strength these days as it is about pace, being nimble, having a good brain and being good on the deck. This has invariably changed the look and feel of the centre back. The start of this in England i would say began with Rio Ferdinand, with the last of his era being John Terry. Rio relied on his pace and technical ability which meant that throwing himself in front of balls and bashing players out of the way was never his style. Also, the influx of foreign, technical defenders has limited the view that one would have on the "good old fashioned" defender. Colo is a prime example, when he came here, he was what a continental centre back now is, however his game has adapted slightly to fit with modern demands. Strikers are now no longer 6ft 4, 14 stone and going to have elbows around your temples all game. Those days are gone, and it sky opinion that until that paradigm shift happens in our minds, we will still expect defenders to remain how they were in the old days. The first time i noticed the shift was Ivan Cordoba v Alan Shearer in the inter v toon game, the process of this change has definitely sped up in the last few years however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. 10 years ago? Even 5. John Terry's probably higher up the best CB lists in the PL now than in his prime. Every foul these days seems to be a yellow. I know I am exaggerating somewhat but years ago you'd get away with far more. And I guess it didn't happen overnight and as such was a gradual change. So even the last 10 there's probably been a stricter policy by refs. I would say thats its not so much the rule changes, but the expectation of what a centre back is to be. There has been a massive shift change in the way that centre backs are viewed and expected to be. Its not so much about size and strength these days as it is about pace, being nimble, having a good brain and being good on the deck. This has invariably changed the look and feel of the centre back. The start of this in England i would say began with Rio Ferdinand, with the last of his era being John Terry. Rio relied on his pace and technical ability which meant that throwing himself in front of balls and bashing players out of the way was never his style. Also, the influx of foreign, technical defenders has limited the view that one would have on the "good old fashioned" defender. Colo is a prime example, when he came here, he was what a continental centre back now is, however his game has adapted slightly to fit with modern demands. Strikers are now no longer 6ft 4, 14 stone and going to have elbows around your temples all game. Those days are gone, and it sky opinion that until that paradigm shift happens in our minds, we will still expect defenders to remain how they were in the old days. The first time i noticed the shift was Ivan Cordoba v Alan Shearer in the inter v toon game, the process of this change has definitely sped up in the last few years however. I agree to a certain extent but we've had ball playing centre halves way before Rio. Never two together mind. Mark Wright was selected in Italia 90 purely because of his ball playing skills. And of course the only Englishman to lift the World Cup was probably our greatest footballing defender ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. Changes to the offside rule among other things is a factor too, not to mention the way teams have evolved.... Players like Alba at Barca would have been a winger back even in the 90s. Said this before but i don't think individual defending has gotten worse in particular, but the game has evolved/changed to suit the attacker even more than it already did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Variance looks a great prospect. A prospect none the less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Variance looks a great prospect. A prospect none the less. You could say he's inconsistent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Have the rule changes made it harder to become a top defender? Just 10 years ago, I could think of a dozen top class CB's. Today, i'm not so sure. Of course they have. It was a far more physical game then. Changes to the offside rule among other things is a factor too, not to mention the way teams have evolved.... Players like Alba at Barca would have been a winger back even in the 90s. Said this before but i don't think individual defending has gotten worse in particular, but the game has evolved/changed to suit the attacker even more than it already did. Definitely. Level used to be off and benefit of any doubt always went with defenders. :thup : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Think he's pretty much there though tbh, performed in the CL and starting as CB in the WC. He only played in the CL final. He was third choice this season so difficult to say he's better than Pepe or especially Ramos. For such a decorated defender Ramos defensive capabilities are under rated. Performed at the highest level for a long time now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Italy bring in De Sciglio along with Immobile, to go two upfront. I've thought that Balo was incredibly isolated in the first two matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Hope Italy don't go out cos their national anthem is mint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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