How far can they go - what would break you?

[ponsaelius]

What are the rules regarding a name change like? The PL rejected Hull City's change and the last known instance I know of was MK Dons some time back.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2387625/Premier-League-refuse-endorse-Hull-City-Tigers-change.html

 

Kit colours changes are obviously within the club's right seeing that Cardiff changed theirs.

 

Fwiw changes to the club name, colours and crest are a no go for me. I wouldn't fancy a stadium change to Red Bull Arena as they have done for their other clubs but could take it as a compromise. Red Bull Newcastle, RB colours and RB Newcastle crest though, they can take their money elsewhere. The moment we allow that, we effectively compromise any remaining morsel of our club identity imo.

 

Exactly, MK Dons happened a decade ago. The Premier League has been commercialised even further since then.

 

Fact is there is now a precident for name change, location change, stadium rebranding, and kit colour change. If Red Bull come in and offer the kind of marketibility they would do, there's no way the PL are going to stand in their way.

[LRD]

Founded in May 2009, RasenBallsport Leipzig is the fourth football involvement of Red Bull, which already runs football clubs including Red Bull Salzburg in Salzburg, Austria, the New York Red Bulls and Red Bull Brasil in Campinas, Brazil. The name differs from these other teams' names due to the statutes of the German Football Association (Deutscher Fußball-Bund) which prescribe how a sponsor's name is used as part of a club's identity.[1][2] Unlike its other sports teams, the Leipzig club cannot carry the Red Bull name or be fully owned by the company. The German Football Association requires a club to hold 51% of its shares, Red Bull will therefore only be able to acquire 49% of the club.[3] This has also resulted in the somewhat awkward "RasenBallsport" ("Lawn(Pitch) Ball Sporting") name of the club in order to retain at least the initials of Red Bull while at the same time feigning compliance with traditional, descriptive naming schemes of German clubs.

 

They went to that extent to put their initials on the club's name. There won't be any doubt they will be looking to put their brand on any PL club they buy as they did for their 4 other clubs.

[Kanj]

http://www.redbullsacademy.com/UserFiles/Red%20Bull%20Global(1).png

[AyeDubbleYoo]

FUCK THAT SHIT

[Deuce]

Taureau Rouge de Nouveau Château

 

 

HOWAY THE TAUREAUX.

[basjen]

I don't know what would break me personally, but being non-local I think I would be less sensitive to traditional changes than people from the area.

 

Personally I'm not sure they could do anything to make me actively stop supporting the club, but I could not see myself cheering with any passion for the New Red Bull Castle or some other calamity. Imagine it would just fade into watching the games without really caring to much, stop reading news, buying merchandise etc, until I one day catch myself not knowing one player in the starting line-up.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Red Bull Newcastle FC... if anyone accepts that then I'll see them ootside.

[OzzieMandias]

Didn't that German team they bought keep pretty much their name, badge, colors et al? They just added RB to make it RB Leipzig.

 

EDIT: I was wrong. It wasn't even named Leipzig to begin with, plus:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/RB_Leipzig.png/200px-RB_Leipzig.png

 

Aye read about them before, they apparently swallowed up a couple of clubs from that area and made the new one I think.

 

"The investment in SSV Markranstädt by Red Bull is not the company's first attempt to enter the Leipzig football scene. In 2006, it tried to purchase FC Sachsen Leipzig, a club with a rich tradition, but also plagued by constant financial trouble. After months of fan protests which deteriorated into violence, the company abandoned the plan.[9]"

 

Seems to be the way forward if they try anything....

 

Sad thing is they'll probably end up being the premier club in Leipzig. Lokomotive and Sachsen have been stuck in the doldrums for years and there's a huge market for a successful Bundesliga club there. In fact other than Hertha which was a unique situation there isn't any Bundesliga sides from the old East Germany.

 

Hertha weren't in East Germany. They were in West Berlin.

[OzzieMandias]

Any change that puts some brand in the name of the club would be a sticking point for me. Same, probably, with a change in the club colours. I'm not that bothered about a stadium name change, though.

[Dinho lad]

I'm bothered about everything.

[Kanj]

I'd be OK with Red Bull throwing their big ass logo on our shirt that was black & white, still had OUR badge on it, and we were still called Newcastle United. I'd be pissed about the Stadium name, but if it was comparable cash injection that something like Arsenal gets then I'd be OK with it if we were buying top players with it and we were in the top part of the table.

 

Non negotiable: Name of club, Our Home Kit, and the badge.

 

Question though: What if they for some reason wanted to modernize our badge like you've seen some clubs like Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. do? Just curious, may be unrelated.

[Disco]

I'd be OK with Red Bull throwing their big ass logo on our shirt that was black & white, still had OUR badge on it, and we were still called Newcastle United. I'd be pissed about the Stadium name, but if it was comparable cash injection that something like Arsenal gets then I'd be OK with it if we were buying top players with it and we were in the top part of the table.

 

Non negotiable: Name of club, Our Home Kit, and the badge.

 

Question though: What if they for some reason wanted to modernize our badge like you've seen some clubs like Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. do? Just curious, may be unrelated.

 

It's a weird one as our current incarnation is only 25 years old.

 

Not sure they could change it for the better without starting afresh either given it wouldn't lend well to being modern and cartoony as it's linked to the city coat of arms.

 

Personally I love our badge because of it's links to city coat of arms.

 

Only reason they'd do it would be for copyright reasons though you'd imagine.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'd be OK with Red Bull throwing their big ass logo on our shirt that was black & white, still had OUR badge on it, and we were still called Newcastle United. I'd be pissed about the Stadium name, but if it was comparable cash injection that something like Arsenal gets then I'd be OK with it if we were buying top players with it and we were in the top part of the table.

 

Non negotiable: Name of club, Our Home Kit, and the badge.

 

Question though: What if they for some reason wanted to modernize our badge like you've seen some clubs like Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. do? Just curious, may be unrelated.

 

The badge has changed throughout our history, so although I would dislike a change it wouldn't be a point of principle.

 

Normal shirt sponsorship would obviously be fine, they're arguably better than Wonga.

[Kanj]

Personally, I think our current badge is beautiful. And although I'm not from the city of course, I love that is tied into the city's coat of arms.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Oh me too, I love it and don't want it changed. I'm just saying it has changed throughout the life of the club.

 

I suppose if you go back far enough you could say the same about the shirt though :/

[LRD]

It's either our current crest or the Red Bull template though. I personally can't accept the latter and believe that most of us won't too.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's either our current crest or the Red Bull template though. I personally can't accept the latter and believe that most of us won't too.

 

Ah right, well if those are the choices then I agree. Kanji asked about a modernised version of the badge as well.

[OzzieMandias]

Oh me too, I love it and don't want it changed. I'm just saying it has changed throughout the life of the club.

 

I suppose if you go back far enough you could say the same about the shirt though :/

 

Aye, in the first couple of years -- 1892-94 -- we played in red and white.

[Yorkie]

Oh me too, I love it and don't want it changed. I'm just saying it has changed throughout the life of the club.

 

I suppose if you go back far enough you could say the same about the shirt though :/

 

Aye, in the first couple of years -- 1892-94 -- we played in red and white.

 

http://historicalkits.co.uk/Newcastle_United/Newcastle_United.htm

 

For people's interest!

 

One of my favourite websites, that.

[ponsaelius]

Didn't that German team they bought keep pretty much their name, badge, colors et al? They just added RB to make it RB Leipzig.

 

EDIT: I was wrong. It wasn't even named Leipzig to begin with, plus:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/RB_Leipzig.png/200px-RB_Leipzig.png

 

Aye read about them before, they apparently swallowed up a couple of clubs from that area and made the new one I think.

 

"The investment in SSV Markranstädt by Red Bull is not the company's first attempt to enter the Leipzig football scene. In 2006, it tried to purchase FC Sachsen Leipzig, a club with a rich tradition, but also plagued by constant financial trouble. After months of fan protests which deteriorated into violence, the company abandoned the plan.[9]"

 

Seems to be the way forward if they try anything....

 

Sad thing is they'll probably end up being the premier club in Leipzig. Lokomotive and Sachsen have been stuck in the doldrums for years and there's a huge market for a successful Bundesliga club there. In fact other than Hertha which was a unique situation there isn't any Bundesliga sides from the old East Germany.

 

Hertha weren't in East Germany. They were in West Berlin.

 

I did say that was a different situation, but I wasn't sure which part of Berlin Hertha were in.

[henke]

Im broken now. i won't be attending games, buying shirts or fuck all else til Ashley is gone. And him being replaced by Red Bull ain't the answer.

[OzzieMandias]

Didn't that German team they bought keep pretty much their name, badge, colors et al? They just added RB to make it RB Leipzig.

 

EDIT: I was wrong. It wasn't even named Leipzig to begin with, plus:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/RB_Leipzig.png/200px-RB_Leipzig.png

 

Aye read about them before, they apparently swallowed up a couple of clubs from that area and made the new one I think.

 

"The investment in SSV Markranstädt by Red Bull is not the company's first attempt to enter the Leipzig football scene. In 2006, it tried to purchase FC Sachsen Leipzig, a club with a rich tradition, but also plagued by constant financial trouble. After months of fan protests which deteriorated into violence, the company abandoned the plan.[9]"

 

Seems to be the way forward if they try anything....

 

Sad thing is they'll probably end up being the premier club in Leipzig. Lokomotive and Sachsen have been stuck in the doldrums for years and there's a huge market for a successful Bundesliga club there. In fact other than Hertha which was a unique situation there isn't any Bundesliga sides from the old East Germany.

 

Hertha weren't in East Germany. They were in West Berlin.

 

I did say that was a different situation, but I wasn't sure which part of Berlin Hertha were in.

 

Well, the club is as old as ours -- founded in 1892. So obviously it predates the division of Berlin and all along had fans on both sides of the city. Players and officials sometimes used to sneak over the Wall for fan meetings, often wearing replica kit under their normal clothes as presents for East Berlin supporters. Two days after the Wall came down, 11,000 East Germans turned up to watch a Hertha match.

 

I don't know where their pre-war stadium was, but after the war and subsequent denazification of sporting institutions, the club was reformed in Gesundbrunnen, which was in West Berlin. They were one of the founding clubs of the Bundesliga in 1963, and from that year also started playing at the Olympia-Stadion in West Berlin. They were never part of East German football.

[ponsaelius]

Didn't that German team they bought keep pretty much their name, badge, colors et al? They just added RB to make it RB Leipzig.

 

EDIT: I was wrong. It wasn't even named Leipzig to begin with, plus:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fd/RB_Leipzig.png/200px-RB_Leipzig.png

 

Aye read about them before, they apparently swallowed up a couple of clubs from that area and made the new one I think.

 

"The investment in SSV Markranstädt by Red Bull is not the company's first attempt to enter the Leipzig football scene. In 2006, it tried to purchase FC Sachsen Leipzig, a club with a rich tradition, but also plagued by constant financial trouble. After months of fan protests which deteriorated into violence, the company abandoned the plan.[9]"

 

Seems to be the way forward if they try anything....

 

Sad thing is they'll probably end up being the premier club in Leipzig. Lokomotive and Sachsen have been stuck in the doldrums for years and there's a huge market for a successful Bundesliga club there. In fact other than Hertha which was a unique situation there isn't any Bundesliga sides from the old East Germany.

 

Hertha weren't in East Germany. They were in West Berlin.

 

I did say that was a different situation, but I wasn't sure which part of Berlin Hertha were in.

 

Well, the club is as old as ours -- founded in 1892. So obviously it predates the division of Berlin and all along had fans on both sides of the city. Players and officials sometimes used to sneak over the Wall for fan meetings, often wearing replica kit under their normal clothes as presents for East Berlin supporters. Two days after the Wall came down, 11,000 East Germans turned up to watch a Hertha match.

 

I don't know where their pre-war stadium was, but after the war and subsequent denazification of sporting institutions, the club was reformed in Gesundbrunnen, which was in West Berlin. They were one of the founding clubs of the Bundesliga in 1963, and from that year also started playing at the Olympia-Stadion in West Berlin. They were never part of East German football.

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Interesting.

[Kanj]

Oh me too, I love it and don't want it changed. I'm just saying it has changed throughout the life of the club.

 

I suppose if you go back far enough you could say the same about the shirt though :/

 

Aye, in the first couple of years -- 1892-94 -- we played in red and white.

 

http://historicalkits.co.uk/Newcastle_United/Newcastle_United.htm

 

For people's interest!

 

One of my favourite websites, that.

 

Why did we have those Navy blue shorts for some time? did it have to do with clothing materials at the time or?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

RE our historical kits, one season sometime late 18 hundreds to early 1900s our shirts were a very dark blue and white not black and white due to a fuck up at the textile place who made our shirts.

 

We actually chose stripes because it made our players look taller and bigger and we chose black and white because of an errand magpie that was always at our games. Hence our nickname too.