Alan '48 points' Pardew

[manosdepiedra]

That conversation would have much more credibility if it wasn't initiated by someone who's already on  a stadium ban.

 

Quite the opposite, he is highlighting the unfairness in the way the two cases have been dealt with.

 

I'd like to know the circumstances of his case and what he did before deciding that it's unfair. Now it just looks like he's using it as an excuse to complain about his own treatment.

 

Some goon appeared from nowhere at half time when we played Hull in the cup in 2009 and attempted to tear down a banner Keith was holding up. Keith threw three punches, none of which connected. Never been in trouble of any kind before.

[oldtype]

That conversation would have much more credibility if it wasn't initiated by someone who's already on  a stadium ban.

 

Quite the opposite, he is highlighting the unfairness in the way the two cases have been dealt with.

 

I'd like to know the circumstances of his case and what he did before deciding that it's unfair. Now it just looks like he's using it as an excuse to complain about his own treatment.

 

Some goon appeared from nowhere at half time when we played Hull in the cup in 2009 and attempted to tear down a banner Keith was holding up. Keith threw three punches, none of which connected. Never been in trouble of any kind before.

 

Fair enough, didn't realize he was a personal acquaintance of people on here.

 

It sounds like he received and completed a fair punishment relative to what he did, but I can understand why he'd feel aggrieved about the current situation.

[Mick]

Ancillary orders get granted without a moments thought or hesitation.

 

That being said it seems fair enough that somebody who works in football ought to fall into an exception when it comes to football banning orders.

 

Why should somebody who works in football fall into an exception?  If I nutted somebody and went to prison I'd lose my job, why should it be different for somebody in football?  Somebody who is more likely to be looked upon as a role model than I am.

[Rebellious]

 

 

That's what I was going to type before work called. I would reply that I would be happy to allow him back to the stadium as long as he pays £100k to charity.

 

Good idea, let's fine one person a few years wages to bring him in line with somebody who will earn his fine in a matter of weeks.

 

Exactly as you have highlighted, they can`t be treated the same because they are not. One is a member of public that goes to the stadium for fun, so he lost that right for being a twat. One goes to the stadium to work and do a job, so he lost his wages for being a twat.

[Belfast Boy]

Ancillary orders get granted without a moments thought or hesitation.

 

That being said it seems fair enough that somebody who works in football ought to fall into an exception when it comes to football banning orders.

 

Why should somebody who works in football fall into an exception?  If I nutted somebody and went to prison I'd lose my job, why should it be different for somebody in football?  Somebody who is more likely to be looked upon as a role model than I am.

 

Obviously there are circumstances where banning orders are not appropriate. From the extreme, ie Groves v Froch hitting each other in Wembley stadium, and the likes of Remy's ban for headbutting. But at what point does that line get crossed to a normal fan who gets a banning order? They are saying Pardew falls into the "let the sport deal with it" side, what if Ashley himself attacked a fan? What about a steward assaulting another steward? What if someone like "Hendo", who was at the game purely as a fan got involved in something?

[Rebellious]

Ancillary orders get granted without a moments thought or hesitation.

 

That being said it seems fair enough that somebody who works in football ought to fall into an exception when it comes to football banning orders.

 

Why should somebody who works in football fall into an exception?  If I nutted somebody and went to prison I'd lose my job, why should it be different for somebody in football?  Somebody who is more likely to be looked upon as a role model than I am.

 

If you nutted someone as hard as Pardew did and went to prison you would have had the shittest solicitor or barrister in the world.  Also when I was at school we all picked footballers as role models not managers, have things changed ?

[oldtype]

Most players are exempt from legal liability for minor physical threats/harm to other players based on a theory of implied consent. Basically, if you're a professional football player you've signed on for the risk of injury and the occasional flaring of tempers.

 

Whether this extends to managers assaulting players as well would be an interesting question that I don't have the answer to.

[Mick]

 

 

That's what I was going to type before work called. I would reply that I would be happy to allow him back to the stadium as long as he pays £100k to charity.

 

Good idea, let's fine one person a few years wages to bring him in line with somebody who will earn his fine in a matter of weeks.

 

Exactly as you have highlighted, they can`t be treated the same because they are not. One is a member of public that goes to the stadium for fun, so he lost that right for being a t***. One goes to the stadium to work and do a job, so he lost his wages for being a t***.

 

That's a load of bollocks, was Pardew not equally being a twat?

[oldtype]

It almost certainly wouldn't extend to managers.

 

There's an argument to be made that if you look at it from the perspective of each individual player unilaterally consenting to the risk and waiving the right to suit for all reasonably foreseeable football-related injury, as opposed to an implicit agreement among players not to bring suit against each other for what happens during matches, I think you could argue that it applies to managers as well.

 

All of this is debatable and largely pointless in the end, of course.

[Mick]

 

 

Ok, if you 'nutted' someone like Pardew did you wouldn't go to Prison. Fact. You may not even get community service, as to whether you would lose your job, well that's a matter for your employer.

 

The simple fact is that banning orders were brought in to stop hooliganism and organised fighting at football. They have subsequently been over used. If someone's entire livelihood is dependant on a particular business then it is arguably disproportionate to ban them from football stadiums. Particularly for something as momentary and harmless as Pardew on Meyler.

 

That's not to say their shouldn't be any state imposed sanction on Pardew. Pardew can thank himself very lucky no further action was taken against him. I'm also not the same as saying people should be punished differently for like offences. Just that Courts have a range of sanctions they can impose to ensure that people receive the same level of punishment without necessarily using the exact same sentencing tools.

 

I'll not nut somebody so I don't expect to find out what would happen to me but if I was daft enough I think I would think that time in prison was a possibility.  I've been following football long enough to know that actions of one person, even "something as momentary and harmless as Pardew on Meyler" can lead to far greater problems in the crowd, luckily we've moved on from those times and luckily the headbutting incident was contained.

[Guest chopey]

Has Pardew been sent to FA jail yet

[Mick]

 

 

If you nutted someone as hard as Pardew did and went to prison you would have had the shittest solicitor or barrister in the world.  Also when I was at school we all picked footballers as role models not managers, have things changed ?

 

Barrett is claiming that he was heavily fined and banned for throwing punches which didn't connect so how can you claim that actually connecting with a head wouldn't bring a greater penalty?  One of our fans was rightly jailed for punching a horse without injuring it, I'm not even sure if the punch connected.  Taking that further and expecting somebody who nutted another person might go to prison isn't that far fetched.

[Disco]

 

 

If you nutted someone as hard as Pardew did and went to prison you would have had the shittest solicitor or barrister in the world.  Also when I was at school we all picked footballers as role models not managers, have things changed ?

 

Barrett is claiming that he was heavily fined and banned for throwing punches which didn't connect so how can you claim that actually connecting with a head wouldn't bring a greater penalty?  One of our fans was rightly jailed for punching a horse without injuring it, I'm not even sure if the punch connected.  Taking that further and expecting somebody who nutted another person might go to prison isn't that far fetched.

 

His punches didn't connect.

[Guest fraser]

 

 

If you nutted someone as hard as Pardew did and went to prison you would have had the shittest solicitor or barrister in the world.  Also when I was at school we all picked footballers as role models not managers, have things changed ?

 

Barrett is claiming that he was heavily fined and banned for throwing punches which didn't connect so how can you claim that actually connecting with a head wouldn't bring a greater penalty?  One of our fans was rightly jailed for punching a horse without injuring it, I'm not even sure if the punch connected.  Taking that further and expecting somebody who nutted another person might go to prison isn't that far fetched.

 

His punches didn't connect.

 

The horse-punching pantomime was a public order offence with a soupcon of animal cruelty.

 

The Pardew head-flop was a technical common assault unless Meyler had a panic attack over it when it might technically be ABH. If Pardew was put in fear of his safety by Meyler's initial push he may, of course, plead self-defence.

 

Basically though he's a silly old cunt who overreacted.

[Guest snoopythewriter]

When do we find out what his punishment is?

[Dave]

When do we find out what his punishment is?

 

He's got until 6pm tomorrow to respond to the charge. I can't see him contesting it, so it'll probably be Friday when he gets the ban.

[Guest bimpy474]

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[Hanshithispantz]

Ancillary orders get granted without a moments thought or hesitation.

 

That being said it seems fair enough that somebody who works in football ought to fall into an exception when it comes to football banning orders.

 

Why should somebody who works in football fall into an exception?  If I nutted somebody and went to prison I'd lose my job, why should it be different for somebody in football?  Somebody who is more likely to be looked upon as a role model than I am.

 

Ok, if you 'nutted' someone like Pardew did you wouldn't go to Prison. Fact.

Depends on the curcumstances tbh, you could easily get sent down for Violent Disorder for something as little as what Pardew did.

 

It's not like assault is outright accepted in football either, for example Duncan Feguson.

[mrmojorisin75]

wasn't barrett's main point of contention that the magistrate told him anyone would be banned for an act of violence from the hull stadium because the city of hull wouldn't tolerate it?  i'd say he's got a point, pardew could have been treated the same way and banned from hull's stadium and it wouldn't have cost him his job directly

[Weezertron]

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f***, I screamed when I saw it.

[Curtained Wasp]

 

 

No we sack him for being a liar, a stinking piece of bullshit. For being a manager who's team has NEVER come from behind to win when losing at half time, over 3 years and counting. We sack him for giving us some of the worst run of results ever, for being utterly bereft of passion and leadership in Derbies.

 

For constantly telling us we're no bigger than Wigan and Swansea and who can't compete financially with Southampton. For setting us up in games against lower league teams in cups so we can just survive and try to get to 70 mins. For giving us some of the worst football i've ever seen, yet tells us it's front foot exciting stuff. The Constant s*** he spews out, and now we have the ridiculous touchline embarrassments.

 

The s*** far outweighs the good, and that is why he should be sacked. he's a c*** of a man, a man without shame, without pride who deserves nothing from us other than our contempt.

 

This all day.  I am disgusted by him and almost equally disgusted by apologists saying the media has stirred up the current outrage.  If you're not just generally outraged by Pardew anyway, irrespective of his childish petulance, Ashley has you under his thumb.

 

He is not fit to manage NUFC and never will be. 

[Guest bimpy474]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/exclusive-willie-donachie-breaks-his-silence-on-newcastle-departure-1-6479990

 

WILLIE Donachie says he had no choice but to “take responsibility for his actions” – and resign from his post at Newcastle United.

 

“What I try to teach the players is to be responsible for your actions – don’t try to blame anyone else,” Donachie told the Gazette.

“And so I’m going to go somewhere else to try to be a great coach.

 

 

Compare the two, one tries to say he was pushing Meyler away as Meyler got in his face, which was a barefaced lie. And Donachie's actions after what he did.

 

 

[KaKa]

When is this guy getting sentenced?

[sempuki]

By Lee Ryder

Lee Ryder: Newcastle United manager Alan Pardew will get a ban, but there IS precedent

6 Mar 2014 10:45

 

Alan Pardew will be banned by the Football Association next week when a Wembley commission investigate his flare up with David Meyler next week.

 

Repetitive language there from a professional journalist. I guess he skipped his English class at school.

[Flip]

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/exclusive-willie-donachie-breaks-his-silence-on-newcastle-departure-1-6479990

 

WILLIE Donachie says he had no choice but to “take responsibility for his actions” – and resign from his post at Newcastle United.

 

“What I try to teach the players is to be responsible for your actions – don’t try to blame anyone else,” Donachie told the Gazette.

“And so I’m going to go somewhere else to try to be a great coach.

 

 

Compare the two, one tries to say he was pushing Meyler away as Meyler got in his face, which was a barefaced lie. And Donachie's actions after what he did.

 

 

 

It's no surprise Pardew is a massive cunt. The fact he slept with his captain's wife says it all. It's a man with no integrity, no shame, no nothing. He's soulless and above all that for us fans, he's a terrible manager. I mean being a nice, humble person comes a long way and I'd respect him more if he took responsibility for his action once in his career here. He's no man, he's the definition of coward, and the sooner he's gone the better.