Alan '48 points' Pardew

[LRD]

Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley.

 

Sorry but this makes no sense at all.

[TRon]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

[madras]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

[TRon]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

[madras]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ?

[TRon]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ?

 

Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck.

[madras]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ?

 

Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck.

would you say it's bad luck ?

[merlin]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ?

 

Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck.

would you say it's bad luck ?

 

We are losing games because we aren't good enough to win without our best players - any of them - and we lack striking power.

 

Oh - and also because Pardew is too cautious and often makes baffling substitutions - all of these....

[mrmojorisin75]

Win = luck.

 

Lose = Pardew is a cunt.

 

 

 

 

Thought we all knew this by now?

 

win = pardew got everything right

perform well don't win = pardew got everything right

lose = the players fault for not trying

 

easy this

 

weird that for some it's not acceptable to say pardew got the overall tactics right but fucked up a couple of key decisions which could have changed the game in our favour

 

i was personally saying from about 55 minutes on that HBA should have come in as our attacking threat was very slowly declining and we needed a player who could go past a man, all too often we were very static and playing the ball sideways while citeh stood in front of us...we were keeping them at bay but not really getting anywhere, we only have one player capable of opening up a game like that and he shouldn't be sitting on the bench 'til 80 mins tbh

 

awful decision to remove anita given the game cabaye had, absolutely fucking awful, but appoint a coward you get cowardly choices

[jdckelly]

Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley.

Ashley has no pattern to his madness other than being cheap

[Guest]

Getting a bit annoying that we've got options in the front positions yet this man's idea of rotating it, is switching from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2 with Shola in for Anita.

[Dr Venkman]

The luck debate again

 

Interpolic and Mojorisin talking sense though, keep it up

[Guest neesy111]

Only gripes were the inclusion of Saylor and the Anita for Cisse sub.  Though thoroughly classless comments to Pelligrini, but he's been known for them.

[LRD]

Only gripes were the inclusion of Saylor and the Anita for Cisse sub.  Though thoroughly classless comments to Pelligrini, but he's been known for them.

 

I had no idea. What did he say or do before?

[AlanSkÃrare]

Would be typical of Ashley to sack Pardew now. Not that I anticipate it, but it would be very Ashley.

Ashley has no pattern to his madness other than being cheap

 

That's why. Nobody expects it to happen now. He's pulled things out of the hat before. It's not supposed to make sense.

[nufc4eva]

His subs came too late, I was saying to my Dad around 60-65 mins he needs to change it or the time will be gone n they will get another.

We are truly shocking in final 3rd, dont look joined up and waste every opportunity.  Pardew has to change that front 4 somehow,  whether thats dropping Gouff, With Cisse coming in and Remy right or bring Ben Arfa in for few games.

 

The Centre midfield did their job but players in front were hopeless.

 

I also cant believe his attacking change is bringing on a full back. The back 4 were fine, need changes in front 4

[Big Geordie]

Fair to say that Pardew's rant at Pelligrini is getting more media coverage than the disallowed goal?

[nufc4eva]

Fair to say that Pardew's rant at Pelligrini is getting more media coverage than the disallowed goal?

 

Aye, disgusting decision.  It was is whether gouff was there or not

[BlueStar]

@lee_ryder: FA are set to probe Alan Pardew over comments. He was in the wrong but lots of managers do it.

[HawK]

Easy enough for me, win despite him, lose because of him. Project that to league finishing positions too. The best squad in living memory and people are conditioned to believe that current ambitions are acceptable. It wasn't long ago Newcastle were mixing it with the best, 3rd-best supported team in the country. Any lack of commercial revenue bullshit excuse is directly Ashley's fault too. Add up player sales, subtract player buys, factor in TV money and you can see this club is being bled dry.

 

Voting with feet is the only way, my money's been going to a different club and will continue until the philosophy changes. Viva los Liones, Athletic!

[Big Geordie]

@lee_ryder: FA are set to probe Alan Pardew over comments. He was in the wrong but lots of managers do it.

 

Lousie Taylor will be wetting her knickers now.

[Lotus]

a) I don't think that decision today was luck

 

b) what luck have we had this season ?

 

Norwich handed us both goals in our win. Cardiff we had a deflection for the first goal, and against Stoke we were woeful until they started losing players through players getting sent off for no good reason.

if we do it it's not because we were unlucky, it's because we f***ed up. luck is when an outside agency affects the game in a cackhanded mannner.

 

like I say today wasn't bad luck, that decision would never have gone against man city.

 

Well I thought we were talking about luck. The incidents I mentioned were about luck, whereas the Tiote goal being chalked off was anything but.

the incidents you talked about weren't luck then. they were poor play from the oppo. (I'll include cardiff as we had been the better team)

 

How often will teams hand you points through incredible defensive gaffes? Enough to ensure a mid table position I suppose. If you want to finish higher then you need to make your own luck.

everey week. don't you watch games ?

 

Yes I do. What's your point?

 

 

the point is it happens every week. we haven't got where we are, or where we ended last season through other teams defensive gaffes etc, should we look at every other team and examine if they are quality "can't stop them" type goals against defensive gaffes ? maybe give extra goals for non defensive gaffes, have a defensive gaffe panel to sort things out ?

 

Well where are we exactly? Out of the cups and lost 4 consecutive games. Maybe it's just bad luck.

would you say it's bad luck ?

 

We were extremely lucky against Stoke. Ref had an absolute homer.

[STM]

I like Pardew alot more when hes being a complete cunt.

[alexthegreat]

Michael Cox: Pardew tactics impress in defeat

 

 

Newcastle marry defensive organisation with attacking pressure, even in defeat

Alan Pardew's system closed down Manchester City's central midfielders but Aleksandar Kolarov added crucial width

 

    Michael Cox

    The Guardian, Sunday 12 January 2014 18.25 GMT

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The major reason for Newcastle's impressive recent run, and in particular their fine performances against the top clubs, has been their defensive organisation. Alan Pardew has consistently selected players who enable Newcastle to get back quickly into a good defensive shape, which has meant Hatem Ben Arfa and Papiss Cissé, both talented but undisciplined attacking weapons, have become accustomed to a substitute's role.

 

In Pardew's system, the work-rate of the front two is exceptional. Whether Pardew has played Shola Ameobi alongside Loïc Rémy, or supported the Frenchman with Yohan Cabaye, as he did on Sunday, Newcastle's two most attacking weapons always drop deep without possession, sitting on the opposition's two central midfielders. Against a Manchester City side playing a 4-4-2, denying Fernandinho and Yaya Touré easy passes was always likely to harm City's rhythm, and this was a rare match where Manuel Pellegrini's side did not dominate possession.

 

Furthermore, without either the darting runs of Sergio Agüero or the natural width provided by Jesús Navas, City seemed slow and predictable. In the 6-0 thrashing of West Ham in midweek, Álvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko combined wonderfully by taking it in turns to drop short but against a more compact side they struggled to find space. The lack of width meant they were not readily supplied with crosses.

 

The exception came when Aleksandar Kolarov overlapped and, while the left-back can be a frustrating player defensively, few defenders are capable of such pinpoint, driven deliveries. He provided the opener for Dzeko with a perfect low cross and soon after whipped in another fine ball that Negredo could not quite reach. He continually worried Moussa Sissoko, on a booking for the majority of the game, with his forward runs and produced another driven pull-back midway through the second half for a Samir Nasri chance.

Newcastle Utd v Man City Newcastle’s front two prevented passes into Yaya Touré and Fernandinho, but David Silva drifted inside to receive passes, encouraging Aleksandar Kolarov to overlap.

 

Kolarov's relationship with David Silva was the game's key combination. The way Silva drifted inside for the opener, before producing a brilliantly measured ball into the path of the overlapping left-back, demonstrated his ability to dictate the flow of the game, to drag opponents out of position, and to encourage his team-mates forward.

 

Silva created four chances, twice as many as any other player on the pitch and in keeping with his average for the season, by far the best rate in the Premier League. He was the only City player among the game's nine most prolific passers – completing more than double as many as any of his team‑mates. Silva has always been celebrated because of his contributions in the final third, particularly his delicate through-balls, but he is playing a more frequent part in City's buildup play. This was particularly important considering Touré and Fernandinho were nullified by Newcastle's pressure.

 

Despite losing 2-0, Newcastle created as many presentable chances as City – many of them from set pieces but also via Rémy's runs in behind the defence. His movement is excellent and against centre-backs Vincent Kompany and Martín Demichelis, the Frenchman consistently caused problems. Better decision-making and finishing, and the striker could have given this contest an entirely different tilt.

 

The sides switched formations as the contest continued, with Pellegrini introducing Navas for Dzeko, moving Silva central behind Negredo and moving to a 4-2-3-1. He understood City were struggling to win the midfield battle and needed extra numbers. Later, Pardew replaced Vurnon Anita with Cissé, and moved to a 4-4-2 to provide extra firepower, as Newcastle played more direct football in the closing stages.

 

This was not the most fascinating tactical battle but Pardew will be pleased with his side's performance, in spite of the defeat. In combining defensive organisation with various attacking options, he has found a balance lacking among many sides.

 

Pardew has shown he is more than a match for the very best managers tactically - good to see him getting the recognition he deserves in national newspapers.

[Hanshithispantz]