NG32 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-united-fail-plan-plan-fail/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-united-fail-plan-plan-fail/ Almost a good article, should have mentioned how the teams that have great starts to the season and are crap after christmas usually carry that form into the new season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manosdepiedra Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-united-fail-plan-plan-fail/ Almost a good article, should have mentioned how the teams that have great starts to the season and are crap after christmas usually carry that form into the new season "Hull were relegated with only 30 points the season after their narrow escape, while West Brom continue to struggle this term, with even the mid-season appointment of Pepe Mel unable to provide the usual momentum shifting effect that a new manager brings. This is probably not the season for those of a black and white persuasion to panic therefore, that particular joy appears destined to arrive in circa six months time if measures aren’t taken to arrest the current profligacy that casts a dark shadow over the club." We're snookered like...Cabaye gone, Remy and Colo off in the summer. It'll take some sort of bibical miracle for Ashley to adequately replace those 3 in the next window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/newcastle-united-fail-plan-plan-fail/ Almost a good article, should have mentioned how the teams that have great starts to the season and are crap after christmas usually carry that form into the new season "Hull were relegated with only 30 points the season after their narrow escape, while West Brom continue to struggle this term, with even the mid-season appointment of Pepe Mel unable to provide the usual momentum shifting effect that a new manager brings. This is probably not the season for those of a black and white persuasion to panic therefore, that particular joy appears destined to arrive in circa six months time if measures aren’t taken to arrest the current profligacy that casts a dark shadow over the club." We're snookered like...Cabaye gone, Remy and Colo off in the summer. It'll take some sort of bibical miracle for Ashley to adequately replace those 3 in the next window. You know what they are going to say, we will look at the youth set up and promote players from there. Brilliant when none of those are ready or good enough. I can just see Pardew waffling that shit out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Voted YES, although i know removing him wont change much. Its only half of the disease. I do not believe Mike can find anyone good/likeable to do the job. Removing pardew could start something really nasty. Not sure a lot of managers could keep Ashley and mostly themself happy in this setup. It could create chaos imo. Ashley could spend the next years hiring and sacking managers every season coz finding a decent human being and good manager that is willing to swallow his pride and back him 100% could prove difficult... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Come 1.30 on Sunday I will be of the short-sighted opinion that anything other than a Newcastle victory is a disappointment. Wish I could get excited by the prospect of a new manager, but I can't. The fat fucking tapeworm will still be deep inside the club's intestines. 3 points please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 We're snookered like...Cabaye gone, Remy and Colo off in the summer. It'll take some sort of bibical miracle for Ashley to adequately replace those 3 in the next window. Heard this kind of talk before, in the last 3 years. A lot - now we're truly fucked, going down again, etc. Let's see who we bring in. Could well be that we totally fail to reinvest and don't come close to replacing Cabaye et al. Could be that we absolutely nail it and somehow find another couple of gifted players for stupidly low prices. Probably somewhere in between I think. A decent attempt to plug the gap, players of a pretty good calibre such as Cabella but I'd be surprised if we get anyone quite as obviously CL-bound as Cabaye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 If a loss will make Pardew disappear from my sight every weekend, absolutely I'd want us to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would fear that any replacement would get sucked into the whole patsy for the regime/mouthpiece/as bad as them stuff fairly quickly unless we also changed our transfer policy at the same time. Think the only thing we could hope for is better football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 If a loss will make Pardew disappear from my sight every weekend, absolutely I'd want us to lose. It won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would fear that any replacement would get sucked into the whole patsy for the regime/mouthpiece/as bad as them stuff fairly quickly unless we also changed our transfer policy at the same time. Think the only thing we could hope for is better football. I'll accept that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Trying to think of managers who'd actually make that happen, with a clear predilection for passing footy, who are available and would want to come. So far I've got: Laudrup maybe but probably not. Granted, I've only been trying for 4 or 5 minutes but who else is there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would fear that any replacement would get sucked into the whole patsy for the regime/mouthpiece/as bad as them stuff fairly quickly unless we also changed our transfer policy at the same time. Think the only thing we could hope for is better football. I'll accept that. Exactly all I'm hoping for, obviously the ultimate goal should be to pan Ashley and all his cronies but the reason I'm vehemently against Pardew is the utter dross we're subjected to which just amplifies everything wrong with the club. Short-termist? Yes, absolutely! But it's a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 until all our players' legs fall off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Debuchy Colo Mbiwa Sissoko Tiote Anita Cabella Santon Gouffran De Jong It'd be something daft like that. Key tactical talking points: everyone doing fucking everything, all the time, as quickly as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't doubt it for a second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If he went to another club he's not going to get players of the quality of Cabaye and Remy to hide his inadequacy. It's not like he's going to be headhunted by Chelsea or Liverpool. The type of club which would hire him would be Palace or West Ham, and he'd have them relegated within a season. that doesn't answer the question for me tbh, no way on earth he remotely thinks like that - he'll believe he's an excellent manager and is being let down by other factors around him, the question posed is a good one imo, the only answer i can think is he's not comfortably rich and won't walk from payoff without a guaranteed job lined up as stated his stock is high, and doesn't seem to be getting any lower, so if you were him why walk when you can eventually be pushed holding a suitcase full of money? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Surely 7 losses in a row would do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I would fear that any replacement would get sucked into the whole patsy for the regime/mouthpiece/as bad as them stuff fairly quickly unless we also changed our transfer policy at the same time. Think the only thing we could hope for is better football. I'll accept that. I'd accept a more positive attacking mentality even if it meant slightly more sporadic league form tbh. I've never been so bored supporting the club in my life. We could very well finish in the top 8 and it would honestly feel no different than if we'd finished 14th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I would fear that any replacement would get sucked into the whole patsy for the regime/mouthpiece/as bad as them stuff fairly quickly unless we also changed our transfer policy at the same time. Think the only thing we could hope for is better football. I'll accept that. I'd accept a more positive attacking mentality even if it meant slightly more sporadic league form tbh. I've never been so bored supporting the club in my life. We could very well finish in the top 8 and it would honestly feel no different than if we'd finished 14th. i doubt anyone would complain at this point if we replaced pardew with a young manager full of conviction and a commitment to entertainment regardless of the players he was handed, if anything i reckon it'd get everyone behind him and galvanise people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Trying to think of managers who'd actually make that happen, with a clear predilection for passing footy, who are available and would want to come. So far I've got: Laudrup maybe but probably not. Granted, I've only been trying for 4 or 5 minutes but who else is there? Bielsa I'd give anything to have Bielsa as our manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Jesus wept! Some good points but some of the Pardew patter is shocking! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2562437/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Losing-Pardew-blow-club-marches-shoelaces-tied-together.html Losing Pardew would be yet another blow for a club that marches with its shoelaces tied togetherNewcastle United contrive, year on year, to find ever more humiliating ways to fail or implode Losing Pardew now, or even at the end of the season, would be another mis-step for the club By Martin Samuel PUBLISHED: 00:00 GMT, 19 February 2014 | UPDATED: 08:03 GMT, 19 February 2014 23 shares 23 View comments Newcastle United have no director of football and no managing director. The owner is rarely in attendance and no permanent signings have arrived in two transfer windows. The last time they scored a goal at home in the Premier League was December 26. It is as if they have given up. Yet, lose to Aston Villa on Sunday — it would be their sixth straight home defeat in all competitions — and there has been speculation that Alan Pardew, the manager, will be sacked. Newcastle say this is completely untrue. What is undeniable is that the club is sinking into torpor and, in the absence of any visible leadership at boardroom level, the buck is stopping with Pardew. There are plenty of contenders for worst-run club in the Premier League — and Fulham have set that bar pretty high in recent weeks — but given all their advantages, Newcastle should be in line for some form of lifetime achievement award in the field. Magnificently supported, from a region that has consistently produced some of the best footballers in Europe, they contrive, year on year, to find ever more humiliating ways to fail or implode. No small success is ever built on, no decision so smart that it cannot be quickly undermined. Losing Pardew now, or even at the end of the season, would be another mis-step for a club that marches with its shoelaces tied together. Pardew took Newcastle as high as fifth this season. ‘People talk about the Champions League and there’s no mention of us,’ he said. ‘I have a wry smile — great, write us off.’ Pardew: I expect life and limb on the pitch Giddy heights: Newcastle went fifth in November after Moussa Sissoko's (front left) winner over West Brom .There are people within the Football Association who think he has potential to be England manager one day; Jose Mourinho floated the idea before Newcastle’s match with Chelsea this month. Now, if his job is not under imminent threat, it is increasingly becoming a dead end. Pardew is trying to turn around a vessel that is not so much afloat as adrift. The only evidence of a pulse at his club are terse statements announcing the latest departure or the banning of reporters. Newcastle are bobbing along with the engines off and no captain to take responsibility. When Joe Kinnear left as director of football, the first thought was that he had been sacked for failing to recruit players. The latest suggestion is that his employers were upset when he negotiated only £19million from Paris Saint-Germain for Yohan Cabaye. They wanted more. Now we know what the ‘director’ stood for in his title. Directing the best players to the airport. A steal? Newcastle sold Johan Cabaye (right) to PSG for £19million - but the club's hierarchy wanted more Pardew is the patsy in the middle. He obviously decided long ago that the best way to keep his job — and he is not long into an eight-year contract — would be to shoulder each fresh indignity without complaint, whether it was the sale of his best player without replacement, or the appointment of an overseer who soon became a professional joke. Pardew never offers even mild dissent against Mike Ashley’s running of the club, which wins him few friends among the fans. As Ashley hasn’t turned up for a home game since September, it makes the manager the only visible senior club official on match day. No wonder there is tension. If Villa was to be his last game, unlike some former colleagues Pardew would leave with his reputation enhanced. It is merely his misfortune to be saddled with a club that has lost its purpose. They might sack him one day, but it still won’t mean they care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not a bad article for Samuel. However, if he's sacked 'he'll leave with his reputation intact' How?! You just said we haven't scared at home since.boxing day ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippity Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 :kasper: :kasper: Sorry....did he just say Pardew was saddled with us? PARDEW is saddled with US? http://i59.tinypic.com/33vetud.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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