Rebellious Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Someone mentioned earlier that if roles were reversed and Meyler headbutted Pardew the fuss wouldn't be as bad! I don't agree on that, I think, fans, media and pundits would find it totally unacceptable and worse than a player on player incident, I think people would be calling for the ban to go beyond "normal" standards. I meant if Pardew pushed Meyler as hard, if Meyler head brushed him first. Would Pardew still looking at a stadium ban for retaliation and being a manager. Was it the way he retaliated or was it the fact that he is a manager and retaliated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Still can't help but laugh nutted, headbutted, violence etc.. comments. Sorry but its like reading The Sun But seriously this isn't a laughing matter, I hope Meyler makes a quick and full recovery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Still can't help but laugh nutted, headbutted, violence etc.. comments. Sorry but its like reading The Sun But seriously this isn't a laughing matter, I hope Meyler makes a quick and full recovery. I'm sorry, even though there was the minimal amount of contact he still went in with his head, so it's still a headbut. It's more of the intent that people are in uproar about, just because there was minimal contact doesn't mean it's not wrong. It's like say if you shoot someone and the bullet misses, then that's ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Pardew actually nutted an opposition player. Keep laughing m8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Pardew actually nutted an opposition player. Keep laughing m8. I will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is all a bit hilarious like. I laugh every time it's shown on TV, more for the fact that I still can't believe he actually did it. Ridiculous man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is all a bit hilarious like. I laugh every time it's shown on TV, more for the fact that I still can't believe he actually did it. Ridiculous man. Pushing someone is assault isn't it? I don't remember assault being screamed at Meyler. It is just over the top to me. If you want to be anal then yes he did nut/headbutt him but really we all know it was a nudge with his head and if you had heard about it before seeing it you would be expecting something a lot worse. I am quite looking forward for the thread to be updated saying he will be banned for the rest of the season, I even have pointless hope that it will be updated saying he has been fired. I just wish we still had a Sunderland match left this season because we might have stood a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 maybe his request for a personal hearing is to make the ban 20 matches, but only applicable to games vs. sunderland that'd do me, seeing as he's not likely to get fired or executed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Aren't you the one who's being anal by insisting it's a "nudge with his head"? It was a terrible nut, but whatever, this reaction was always going to happen when a manager places his head onto an opposing players' chin in an aggressive and forceful manner, but not necessarily with enough force to cause any major damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It was worse than I expected when I got around to seeing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Aren't you the one who's being anal by insisting it's a "nudge with his head"? It was a terrible nut, but whatever, this reaction was always going to happen when a manager places his head onto an opposing players' chin in an aggressive and forceful manner, but not necessarily with enough force to cause any major damage. I suppose this is the perfect example of people seeing something differently The reaction I got from 'real life' mates and work colleagues was laughter rather than horror though. It certainly wasn't MOTD style hyperbole where he had brought disgrace to the game and should be fired immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is all a bit hilarious like. I laugh every time it's shown on TV, more for the fact that I still can't believe he actually did it. Ridiculous man. Pushing someone is assault isn't it? I don't remember assault being screamed at Meyler. When have you ever seen a player sent off for a push? It's incredibly rare if ever, many times the referee wouldn't even give a yellow card. What Pardew did would be a red card in any context within football. There's a massive gulf in seriousness between the 2, even if you can conclude that both actions are equally as harmless. Pardew commited an offence that would see a player banned for 3 games. No other manager has ever done anything like that on these shores, certainly not in this decade. Maybe people are going OTT but it's expected imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is all a bit hilarious like. I laugh every time it's shown on TV, more for the fact that I still can't believe he actually did it. Ridiculous man. Pushing someone is assault isn't it? I don't remember assault being screamed at Meyler. When have you ever seen a player sent off for a push? It's incredibly rare if ever, many times the referee wouldn't even give a yellow card. What Pardew did would be a red card in any context within football. There's a massive gulf in seriousness between the 2, even if you can conclude that both actions are equally as harmless. Pardew commited an offence that would see a player banned for 3 games. No other manager has ever done anything like that on these shores, certainly not in this decade. Maybe people are going OTT but it's expected imo. The point was both could be described as something which in reality seems a bit over the top. I completely agree Pardew deserves a massive, massive ban. He knows the rules and as you say he is the manager so his punishment should be more severe than those on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 It is all a bit hilarious like. I laugh every time it's shown on TV, more for the fact that I still can't believe he actually did it. Ridiculous man. Pushing someone is assault isn't it? I don't remember assault being screamed at Meyler. It is just over the top to me. If you want to be anal then yes he did nut/headbutt him but really we all know it was a nudge with his head and if you had heard about it before seeing it you would be expecting something a lot worse. I am quite looking for the thread to be updated saying he will be banned for the rest of the season, I even have pointless hope that it will be updated saying he has been fired. I just wish we still had a Sunderland match left this season because we might have stood a chance. Cajun, it's the most dangerous thing I've seen on a football field for many years. He could have been killed. Pardew should be banned for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 When I heard about it I expected to see Meyler getting in Pardew's face and him reacting by moving his head towards him. Instead he chased after him and nutted him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nobody I've spoken to in person is as outraged as anyone on the internet or in the media. Most people seem to see it how Cajun does. Me too obviously. Not that it matters, he's obviously in line for a decent ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Just because he Pardewed it and landed the most ridiculously soft headbutt and ended up looking like he was trying to kiss Meyler doesn't excuse from the fact that he attempted to assault an opposition player. As a manager you are expected to maintain higher standards of behaviour than those on the pitch - standards that have been lacking from this man on a number of occasions - which is why the FA will quite rightly throw the book at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nobody I've spoken to in person is as outraged as anyone on the internet or in the media. Most people seem to see it how Cajun does. Me too obviously. Not that it matters, he's obviously in line for a decent ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I like how "outrage", "hysterical" and their like are constantly thrown about by Ian, as if he's some kind of beacon of serenity. It's almost as if he's trying to play the opposing argument down to give his own some credence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nobody I've spoken to in person is as outraged as anyone on the internet or in the media. Most people seem to see it how Cajun does. Me too obviously. Not that it matters, he's obviously in line for a decent ban. Most of my friends aren't Newcastle fans and they were outraged. And they think he's a cunt of the highest order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nobody I've spoken to in person is as outraged as anyone on the internet or in the media. Most people seem to see it how Cajun does. Me too obviously. Not that it matters, he's obviously in line for a decent ban. Most of my mates just laughed about it and especially the media storm that followed. But I guess that's the English media for you. What he did was obviously wrong, and he deserves a heavy punishment, but it's been blown out of all proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I saw the reaction before the incident & I expected more. Your imagination always goes off when people react massively that's all. I can't separate real life that far from football to be OUTRAGED that a man walked up and nudged another's head. I just think he's a moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 In terms of wording I wouldn't say people are outraged when things like this happen these days. My mates thoughts were more along the lines of 'jesus, a manager headbutting someone? What a fucking tit'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I haven't seen this posted. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/rob-lee-alan-pardew-lucky-6783304 Rob Lee: Alan Pardew is a lucky man to still be in a job – he received the minimum fine 7 Mar 2014 07:33 I have seen managers threaten to hit someone, but nobody ever actually did it, says Chronicle columnist Rob Lee A fine of £100,000 and a final warning from the big boss. That is the very minimum Alan Pardew should have expected last Saturday evening. If anything, the man got off lightly. He’s kidding himself to think otherwise. He so easily could have been sacked. He is undoubtedly an incredibly lucky man to still be in his job. I know a lot of people have said since Saturday, “I’ve never seen anything like that.” I would like to add my name to that number. I’ve seen managers throw things and make some serious threats in a dressing room. They don’t tend to go through with them. I have been thinking about this. I honestly can’t remember any manager actually grabbing hold of a player. Managers back in the day, when things were different, could turn the air blue with their language. They could talk of hitting someone in the middle of a massive argument, but they have all managed to reign themselves back in before things got silly. Kevn Keegan could be like that. I saw him really lose it once or twice. But he never crossed a line. Pardew crossed a line. I’ve seen some try to defend him. Do me a favour. David Meyler was trying to get the ball. His team were 3-1 down, so it’s only natural he wanted to take a throw-in quickly. Pardew got in his way. All Meyler did was give him a small push. Nothing more than a nudge. Big deal. It was easy for him to walk away. But he didn’t. And then the manager of Newcastle United pushed the Hull City player away with his head. That’s a headbutt, isn’t it? I received a text on Saturday afternoon, I was out at the time, from a pal who asked if I knew what had happened. He then told me. I couldn’t believe it. Like everyone, I watched Match of the Day on Saturday night so I could judge for myself what had and had not happened. That’s when I heard about the fine and I admit to being a bit shocked the club acted so quickly. Pardew got off lightly. He is a football manager. He’s not expected to get involved with opposition players. Ever. Billy Davies got a five-match touchline ban for swearing at a referee, something that happens all the time. It shouldn’t, it’s not nice, but it’s hardly a major incident. So Pardew can expect to be given possibly the biggest sentence ever handed down to a Premier League manager. Why does he do this? I honestly don’t know. He is always getting himself involved. Does he think this makes him appear more passionate because it doesn’t. I go back to Keegan. He was the most passionate man I ever met in football. He couldn’t hide a single emotion. He knew how to behave himself, right enough, and he was a volatile guy. Pardew now has a problem whenit comes to controlling the dressing room. How can he have a go at a player for fighting with a team-mate in training. What chance does he have of fining someone for a daft red card? They will turn around, look at their manager and say with some justification, “Why should you give me into bother after how you behaved?” So he now has to win back the dressing room. I don’t know what the players have been thinking about it all. When you are the manager of Newcastle United, you have to respect the club and other people in football. Pardew has fallen short of that a few times. What he did last Saturday was unacceptable. We are trying to make football better and that didn’t help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Completely agree with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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