ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. Fuck him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Allardyce (Blackburn) Hodgson (Liverpool) Di Matteo (WBA) Grant (West Ham) Ancelotti (Chelsea) Houllier (Aston Villa) Hughes (Fulham) Bruce (Sunderland) Warnock (QPR) McCarthy (Wolves) Villas-Boas (Chelsea) Hodgson (WBA) McLeish (Aston Villa) Dalglish (Liverpool) Rodgers (Swansea) Lambert (Norwich) Redknapp (Spurs) Di Matteo (Chelsea) Hughes (QPR) Adkins (Southampton) McDermott (Reading) O'Neill (Sunderland) Mancini (Man City) Moyes (Everton) Pulis (Stoke) Benitez (Chelsea) Ferguson (Man Utd) Di Canio (Sunderland) Holloway (Crystal Palace) Jol (Fulham) Clarke (WBA) Villas-Boas (Spurs) Obviously not all sacked. Some left for other clubs/jobs, retirements, etc....but 32 changes since we appointed him. Christ. Wonder how many of those had a run of: W2 D2 L12. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. Fuck him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. f*** him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Right, who then? Even assuming that Ashely would welcome any managers, I can't think of many. AVB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Allardyce (Blackburn) Hodgson (Liverpool) Di Matteo (WBA) Grant (West Ham) Ancelotti (Chelsea) Houllier (Aston Villa) Hughes (Fulham) Bruce (Sunderland) Warnock (QPR) McCarthy (Wolves) Villas-Boas (Chelsea) Hodgson (WBA) McLeish (Aston Villa) Dalglish (Liverpool) Rodgers (Swansea) Lambert (Norwich) Redknapp (Spurs) Di Matteo (Chelsea) Hughes (QPR) Adkins (Southampton) McDermott (Reading) O'Neill (Sunderland) Mancini (Man City) Moyes (Everton) Pulis (Stoke) Benitez (Chelsea) Ferguson (Man Utd) Di Canio (Sunderland) Holloway (Crystal Palace) Jol (Fulham) Clarke (WBA) Villas-Boas (Spurs) Obviously not all sacked. Some left for other clubs/jobs, retirements, etc....but 32 changes since we appointed him. Christ. Wonder how many of those had a run of: W2 D2 L12. The thing is, people from the outside looking in will see where we are now and say we did the right thing not sacking him and standing by him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I dont want him to be sacked.... Mainly because we get someone worst.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. f*** him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Right, who then? Even assuming that Ashely would welcome any managers, I can't think of many. AVB? Bielsa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. f*** him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Right, who then? Even assuming that Ashely would welcome any managers, I can't think of many. AVB? Bielsa Ashley probably thinks that's a type of wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No chance of Pardew going anywhere unless we start struggling or Ashley sells the club. If he was going to act, Ashley would have done so last Summer after a dire season. I wasn't surprised that AVB got the bullet because he has spent a lot of money and was getting poor results - the 5-0 by Liverpool obviously was the straw that broke the directors' patience, compare that with our 2 awful hammerings at SJP last season, one from the Scousers and previously, by the Mackems and this after we too had spent more in Jan than Ashley expected in order to survive. AVB is beginning to look a bit of a lame duck as a manager of PL sides now so not unexpected. As long as Pardew keeps us away from relegation and Ashley remains in charge, we will have to hope that we get the odd entertaining game to keep us happy because that is as much as we can expect. I await the Jan window with anticipation, and not much of it is high..perhaps trepidation is a better word. Wonder if Man U are contemplating a Cabaye for Zaha swap....? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No point sacking him at the moment, I agree. Should have got the bullet in the summer, ridiculously lucky to survive such a terrible season. And yes on the whole he's doing OK this season. Apart from the derby defeat, aiming to win by the tiniest of margins, not scoring more than 2 goals in a game and the fact most of our games follow an almost inevitable pattern of utter infuriation. He should finish at worst 8th this season, which is where we should be considering our wage bill. f*** him off next summer and appoint somebody more interesting would be good, but never gonna happen so long as we trudge along to the 'successful' 8th placed finishes that are craved. Right, who then? Even assuming that Ashely would welcome any managers, I can't think of many. AVB? Bielsa Ashley probably thinks that's a type of wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If a manager has a bad season, i think he should be given another shot at the following season to turn it around. Don't think one bad season should effectively get you the sack. Admire chairmen who have faith in their appointments and give them time in the job to succeed. Far too often these days they want instant success, or if instant success comes along as surprise but not sustained they are fired, i think it’s just wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If a manager has a bad season, i think he should be given another shot at the following season to turn it around. Don't think one bad season should effectively get you the sack. Admire chairmen who have faith in their appointments and give them time in the job to succeed. Far too often these days they want instant success, or if instant success comes along as surprise but not sustained they are fired, i think it’s just wrong. Definitely, just creates chaos. It wasn't even a bad season FFS, it was a bad couple of months. Either clubs are appointing managers without any thought in the first places, or something dramatic happens to make them instantly change their mind. However you look at it, it's not a way to run any organisation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ashley doesn't have faith in his appointments though, he sacked Hughton for literally no reason and failed to back Keegan Pardew is in charge because we have no ambition, it's a simple as that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hopefully someone will come along soon and reassure me that I didn't just read that. Not the previous post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ashley doesn't have faith in his appointments though, he sacked Hughton for literally no reason and failed to back Keegan Pardew is in charge because we have no ambition, it's a simple as that really. Well I would assume Pardew has some objectives, they're just lower than most people would like. Would he keep his job if he repeated last season? I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm lost here like. We're admiring chairmen who have faith in their manager completing their objectives, even if those objectives are "lower than most people would like." Purely for the fact that they are showing faith in their appointment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ashley doesn't have faith in his appointments though, he sacked Hughton for literally no reason and failed to back Keegan Pardew is in charge because we have no ambition, it's a simple as that really. Well I would assume Pardew has some objectives, they're just lower than most people would like. Would he keep his job if he repeated last season? I don't think so. I think he would tbf. As long as we're not relegated I think he'll keep his job until his contract runs out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Ashley had so much faith in the man he employed to run the club he forced him to resign in embarrassment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not just talking just about here. I think other chairmen should take a long hard look at themselves when firing the person they appointed. I wasn't a fan of Steve Clarke and thought it was a poor choice but he got them to 8th, has started slowly this season and is now sacked. Think it's just harsh an wrong. Don't know what the stats are but it seems to be getting worse, like clubs just sacking managers to try and get rid of poor form and get a sudden uplift in the club without giving their appointment time to pull things around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I wasn't trying to big up Ashley specifically, I was just agreeing with the principle of giving managers time to turn things around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not just talking just about here. I think other chairmen should take a long hard look at themselves when firing the person they appointed. I wasn't a fan of Steve Clarke and thought it was a poor choice but he got them to 8th, has started slowly this season and is now sacked. Think it's just harsh an wrong. Don't know what the stats are but it seems to be getting worse, like clubs just sacking managers to try and get rid of poor form and get a sudden uplift in the club without giving their appointment time to pull things around. But you were all for Hughton getting binned? Hmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If a manager has a bad season, i think he should be given another shot at the following season to turn it around. Don't think one bad season should effectively get you the sack. Admire chairmen who have faith in their appointments and give them time in the job to succeed. Far too often these days they want instant success, or if instant success comes along as surprise but not sustained they are fired, i think it’s just wrong. Definitely, just creates chaos. It wasn't even a bad season FFS, it was a bad couple of months. Either clubs are appointing managers without any thought in the first places, or something dramatic happens to make them instantly change their mind. However you look at it, it's not a way to run any organisation. Wasn't a bad season? We survived thanks to Jose Bosingwa ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 If a manager has a bad season, i think he should be given another shot at the following season to turn it around. Don't think one bad season should effectively get you the sack. Admire chairmen who have faith in their appointments and give them time in the job to succeed. Far too often these days they want instant success, or if instant success comes along as surprise but not sustained they are fired, i think it’s just wrong. Definitely, just creates chaos. It wasn't even a bad season FFS, it was a bad couple of months. Either clubs are appointing managers without any thought in the first places, or something dramatic happens to make them instantly change their mind. However you look at it, it's not a way to run any organisation. Wasn't a bad season? We survived thanks to Jose Bosingwa ffs I got mixed up with the Villas Bollas thread, soz. Obviously in Pardew's case it was a terrible season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not just talking just about here. I think other chairmen should take a long hard look at themselves when firing the person they appointed. I wasn't a fan of Steve Clarke and thought it was a poor choice but he got them to 8th, has started slowly this season and is now sacked. Think it's just harsh an wrong. Don't know what the stats are but it seems to be getting worse, like clubs just sacking managers to try and get rid of poor form and get a sudden uplift in the club without giving their appointment time to pull things around. I agree, but when your manager genuinely looks to be holding back the club then there's something to be said for a chairman making an astute change that ultimately is beneficial for the club. There's a lot of absolute mongs out there who'll sack their man and bring in someone laughably worse like. Most chairman in this country are footballing dinosaurs so this happens more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hopefully someone will come along soon and reassure me that I didn't just read that. Not the previous post. Thanks Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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