BottledDog Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. That's not what I said, the side Pardew has had for last couple of years is much stronger than Norwich or the side Hughton had in the prem. That side Hughton had in the Premiership came 5th with considerably less spent on it by Pardew than Hughton has spent on his team. Cisse was prolific for Hughton. You what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. That's not what I said, the side Pardew has had for last couple of years is much stronger than Norwich or the side Hughton had in the prem. That side Hughton had in the Premiership came 5th with considerably less spent on it by Pardew than Hughton has spent on his team. Cisse was prolific for Hughton. You what. Pardew still spent less on Hughtons squad than Hughton has spent on Norwich. Either that means (as was being argued) that Hughton had a great leg up in the championship because our team was significantly better than usual promotion contenders, or... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I assume that the championship winning season boosts Hughton's stats a fair bit. Hardly Hughton's fault that Pardew's record in the Championship and League One with several teams is fairly dire. I think it's fairly clear that the team that Hughton had in the Championship was streets ahead of anything that Pardew managed. Probably more relevant to compare their Premiership managerial records. Also, certainly in recent years the team Pardew has had in the premiership is streets ahead of what Hughton has managed. Agreed - although that hasn't stopped people suggesting they'd rather have Nolan and Barton in the team now ..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. It's certainly not better than what Pardew has now and whether that team should have won the championship or not, it did, he did and we did it in style towards the end. The team that was relegated also should have stayed up, but it didn't. It's not as simple as saying something should happen regardless of what does or doesn't happen. It's not like it's one game and you can say that the result proves a point definitively. He proved it game after game, week after week and not only restored a lot of faith in our team, but he also got a lot of us just enjoying football and enjoying winning again. The season that we came up, we were a mid-table team that would win some and lose some, but there was at least some batterings that we handed out along the way and a lot of enjoyment to get from our football. He goes down as a very important person in our history for me and regardless of what you think his worth as anything is, his actual, tangeable contribution both on the field and off it was tremendously important to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. It's certainly not better than what Pardew has now and whether that team should have won the championship or not, it did, he did and we did it in style towards the end. The team that was relegated also should have stayed up, but it didn't. It's not as simple as saying something should happen regardless of what does or doesn't happen. It's not like it's one game and you can say that the result proves a point definitively. He proved it game after game, week after week and not only restored a lot of faith in our team, but he also got a lot of us just enjoying football and enjoying winning again. The season that we came up, we were a mid-table team that would win some and lose some, but there was at least some batterings that we handed out along the way and a lot of enjoyment to get from our football. He goes down as a very important person in our history for me and regardless of what you think his worth as anything is, his actual, tangeable contribution both on the field and off it was tremendously important to me. As I said, I don't dislike Hughton and he did a good job in the Championship. All I'm saying is that the team was quite a lot better than its Championship rivals. He still had to manage it, of course. I would say that Pardew's players are better than a few squads in the league, but not better than Hughton's squad compared to their contemporaries. Quite a vague opinion I know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. It's certainly not better than what Pardew has now and whether that team should have won the championship or not, it did, he did and we did it in style towards the end. The team that was relegated also should have stayed up, but it didn't. It's not as simple as saying something should happen regardless of what does or doesn't happen. It's not like it's one game and you can say that the result proves a point definitively. He proved it game after game, week after week and not only restored a lot of faith in our team, but he also got a lot of us just enjoying football and enjoying winning again. The season that we came up, we were a mid-table team that would win some and lose some, but there was at least some batterings that we handed out along the way and a lot of enjoyment to get from our football. He goes down as a very important person in our history for me and regardless of what you think his worth as anything is, his actual, tangeable contribution both on the field and off it was tremendously important to me. As I said, I don't dislike Hughton and he did a good job in the Championship. All I'm saying is that the team was quite a lot better than its Championship rivals. He still had to manage it, of course. I would say that Pardew's players are better than a few squads in the league, but not better than Hughton's squad compared to their contemporaries. Quite a vague opinion I know! You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Right. I thought you meant both in terms of in comparison to other PL teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. What's up mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colinmk Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I'm not a Hughton hater, but anyone should have won the Championship with the team we had at the time. Compared to rivals, it's much better than what Pardew has now. It's certainly not better than what Pardew has now and whether that team should have won the championship or not, it did, he did and we did it in style towards the end. The team that was relegated also should have stayed up, but it didn't. It's not as simple as saying something should happen regardless of what does or doesn't happen. It's not like it's one game and you can say that the result proves a point definitively. He proved it game after game, week after week and not only restored a lot of faith in our team, but he also got a lot of us just enjoying football and enjoying winning again. The season that we came up, we were a mid-table team that would win some and lose some, but there was at least some batterings that we handed out along the way and a lot of enjoyment to get from our football. He goes down as a very important person in our history for me and regardless of what you think his worth as anything is, his actual, tangeable contribution both on the field and off it was tremendously important to me. Me too. Seems easily forgotten what a shambles the whole club was in when we went down too, to downplay his achievement always sticks in my throat, he did a fucking excellent job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Fair to say Norwich probably can't attract quite as good players as we can. Not that it means anything. In fact not quite sure what the hell everyone is going on about it here. Cya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. was gonna say like, someone asked you what you meant seemed a harsh chelp tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Again though, Hughton got Birmingham into the play offs in his next role so his title win with us can hardly been seen as a fluke, and Norwich to 11th in the Premier League in his next. He's never under achieved once as a manager, it's a bit harsh automatically assuming he's worse than Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. Fucking Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. Nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. f***ing Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 No hard feelings IP, you rock this place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 "I think this current squad is stronger than the one that finished fifth two years ago." http://i.imgur.com/NqFZJwi.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. f***ing Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. If the reply to this from Ian W was another thumbs up I may have imploded with laughter and done something as sad as put it in my sig. But it didn't happen, even though it did...in his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 "I think this current squad is stronger than the one that finished fifth two years ago." http://i.imgur.com/NqFZJwi.jpg He's right like, it is. Far more strength in depth and more quality all over the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 You think that the squad that Hughton came up with is better than the one that we have now? (As a Premier League team) No, I mean relative to their opponents. Hughton's team was stronger compared to the rest of the Championship than Pardew's current team is compared to the rest of the PL. f***ing Christ Almighty. What's up mate? You're stating the obvious to the extent it's pointless even posting it. If it were anything else, people would be saying Pardew should be challenging for the title. Have you just popped up to have a go for no reason? It followed on from a discussion about how Hughton should have been expected to do very well with the squad he had. Then I was asked to explain, so I explained. You really need to give up on the idea that every post I make has some sort of agenda to praise Pardew. If the reply to this from Ian W was another thumbs up I may have imploded with laughter and done something as sad as put it in my sig. But it didn't happen, even though it did...in his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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