Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ben Arfa on the bench with Remy and Sissoko out man, what a fucking massive vindictive arsehole he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ben Arfa on the bench with Remy and Sissoko out man, what a fucking massive vindictive arsehole he is. Pure spite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. What does any of this actually mean though? It means that in terms of performance he's a roughly average Premier League manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. He's been handed a team which has regularly been loaded with international players, poor Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts I'll have to correct you there as you appear to be wrong again. Nobody has suggested we shouldn't be using 'facts' in an argument, just that stats (of 'facts') alone tell us absolutely nothing, especially, as was mentioned, when it's taken to the extreme. I'll keep you right though, don't worry about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 :lol: Mick Lowes reckons Pardle said on Thursday "I'll put round pegs in round holes" When the fuck has this colossal bellend ever done that for fucks sake?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 :lol: Mick Lowes reckons Pardle said on Thursday "I'll put round pegs in round holes" When the f*** has this colossal bellend ever done that for f***s sake?!?! He really said that? How many times has moussa played central midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. What does any of this actually mean though? It means that in terms of performance he's a roughly average Premier League manager. It's just a win percentage, not even a points percentage, which would have been slightly better but still, ultimately meaningless alone. It tells us nothing other than the win percentage of a few managers managing different teams (some more than 1) over different spans of time. As has been highlighted, this is the problem of this kind of 'facts' argument. It's completely worthless. So yeah, when you said "It means that in terms of performance he's a roughly average Premier League manager" you were again wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 :lol: Mick Lowes reckons Pardle said on Thursday "I'll put round pegs in round holes" When the fuck has this colossal bellend ever done that for fucks sake?!?! Could have been talking about player's wives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts I'll have to correct you there as you appear to be wrong again. Nobody has suggested we shouldn't be using 'facts' in an argument, just that stats (of 'facts') alone tell us absolutely nothing, especially, as was mentioned, when it's taken to the extreme. I'll keep you right though, don't worry about it. Cheers. You might have to cloak it in less arsey, condescending lingo than that though, or you might find I don't pay attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. Why does Pardew get NUFC only and you don't do the same for Martinez and give him Everton only? Talk about cooking the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I really don't want to get tagged as a Pardew sympathiser here, I just think he's a bog standard average Premier League manager - if you look at some stats, how about win percentages: Pardew (NUFC only) - 38.46% Bruce - 37.54% Martinez - 39.82% Pochettino (Soton only) - 38.89% Not much in it really. Another fact worthy of consideration is that he's had to operate with by far the lowest transfer budget of any Premier League club: http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html That's 140 million less than Villa, 136 million less than Stoke and even 95 million less than the mackems, all of who we're currently above in the league. Despite all of this I would still like to see him sacked btw. What does any of this actually mean though? It means that in terms of performance he's a roughly average Premier League manager. It's just a win percentage, not even a points percentage, which would have been slightly better but still, ultimately meaningless alone. It tells us nothing other than the win percentage of a few managers managing different teams (some more than 1) over different spans of time. As has been highlighted, this is the problem of this kind of 'facts' argument. It's completely worthless. So yeah, when you said "It means that in terms of performance he's a roughly average Premier League manager" you were again wrong. Yup, need a larger data set to come to any kind of conclusion. Like, all Premier manager's win percentages since 92. I would hazard a guess that his current % is slightly below average too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This guy... It takes some doing to be the most hated Newcastle manager I've witnessed us have, considering we've had Allardyce, Dalglish and Souness on the books. Please, just fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 He's fast approaching Souness levels (especially in terms of freezing out players) - this is something I would not have expected to happen a couple of years ago (ie. comparing Pardew to Souness) but Pardew's managed it. Pardew's hyperinflated ego knows no bounds and it's to our detriment, much like how Souness' high opinion of himself had a negative impact on us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This joke isn't funny anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Yeah, you are def on the wind up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Opening himself up to be shot at today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Great article about Pardew after todays selection: Read here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Say what you like about the bloke, he's a bloody brilliant comedian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. it's s*** like this. Just say what you think? If you think playing dan gosling is correct then say it Sitting on the fence when asked a very simple question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I am loving this. "The problem with the 'facts' argument is..." Seriously: are we debating whether or not we should be using facts Are you going to answer my question or not? No - because what you've asked for is a pretty wide-ranging summary of Pardew's performance - save to say that I don't think absolutely every single thing he's ever done at Newcastle has been s***. Simple question for you: Do you think any other manager currently managing in the Premier League would have played Dan Gosling today whilst HBA sits on the bench? Knowing very little about the exact situation regarding Ben Arfa, but knowing that Pardew wants to win games and would probably play him if he thought he'd help to bring that about, probably yes. Whether he's right or not, whether he's managed Ben Arfa poorly or not etc etc are all separate questions. And now, because this forum is the way it is, I have to go out of my way to emphasise that I don't necessarily agree with Pardew on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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