Alan '48 points' Pardew

[Flip]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

But obviously we didn't have Remy then...

 

Pardew has been a shit manager, some of us called him out the season we finished 5th. Remember backtracking on it at the end because I got so much shit on here, but he's an absolutely terrible manager and always has been (at least in my eyes). The guy benched Tevez and Mascherano for a shit West Ham side, says it all.

[LucaAltieri]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

[Guest bimpy474]

While I'm not arguing that Pardew is a fantastic manager and deserves no criticism (the Cisse situation is still pissing me off), I think the lack of investment has done more to kill us this season. I don't think it's a coincidence that selling off Cabaye preceded our results turning to shit.

 

The players are clearly demoralized. It's his job to get that sorted ASAP. He's entirely to blame for not fixing the problem but he didn't cause it, in my opinion. I don't think there's a manager in the league who do well under the current circumstances. However there are plenty who'd be able to stop us getting battered at home. He needs to get that shit sorted. If he can't then he needs to go.

 

I view Ashley's board appointment as tentatively positive. I think him sacking JFK and getting more involved with the club is a sign that the last two transfer windows were not acceptable. If we see some investment in the summer then the onus is on Pardew to get the results. A slow start again next season and will mean he needs fucking off. If we don't get investment in the summer then we're screwed whoever is in charge of picking the team.

 

While i agree about the lack of investment, why does any of that have anything to do with us trying the same free kick and corner routine without success. Or why we play a formation that is so unsuited to the players we have that everyone can see it except Pardew. Why has any of that got anything to do with some of the worst defending i've seen, or some of the most boring football, the lack of chances made is bordering on the ridiculous now.

 

The lack of investment argument is bollocks in regard to our style of play, and that's what i hate above all else. We are boring, have no pattern, our set pieces are absurd in their repetitive nature, we create fuck all, we concede bucket loads.

 

Sorry but i'm not buying it, Pardew is an awful manager, who plays awful football, it really is that simple, and i'm not even including all the bullshit and insults of the area either.

[Jayson]

On that telegraph article by luke edwards:

 

origialkoppite • 2 hours ago

 

The last time these muppets forced a manager out they got the club relegated to the 2d division and they'd still be there had uncle Mike not bought them promo. Don't give up your day job you clowns!

 

 

Thats impressively wrong.

[Optimistic Nut]

On that telegraph article by luke edwards:

 

origialkoppite • 2 hours ago

 

The last time these muppets forced a manager out they got the club relegated to the 2d division and they'd still be there had uncle Mike not bought them promo. Don't give up your day job you clowns!

 

 

Thats impressively wrong.

 

And people want those cocks to win the title.

[Flip]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

 

You completely disregard from the fact that our squad was in terms of quality still easily a top 8 side last year.

[Wullie]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

 

We got beat 4-0, 3-0 and 6-0 in 3 out of 5 games towards the end of the season with Cabaye starting in all of them.

[Kanji]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

But obviously we didn't have Remy then...

 

Pardew has been a s*** manager, some of us called him out the season we finished 5th. Remember backtracking on it at the end because I got so much s*** on here, but he's an absolutely terrible manager and always has been (at least in my eyes). The guy benched Tevez and Mascherano for a s*** West Ham side, says it all.

 

Publically I defended him but privately to friends I was calling for his sacking to really kick on with a better manager. He's a shit manager who's insulted our support, passion and inteligence far too long.

 

I'm 100% for all the dirty press tactics and all that to get him gone. Good people deserve to be treated right, he's nothing but a prick who's been lucky to have a job that says Newcastle United Manager, and he for sure doesn't deserve an ounce of respect.

[TRon]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

 

Do you think his 4--5-------------------1 formation might have something to do with the lack of goals?

 

 

[LucaAltieri]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

 

You completely disregard from the fact that our squad was in terms of quality still easily a top 8 side last year.

 

I'm not disregarding that at all.

 

We had some good players and should have done better in the league than we did. As a whole, we under-performed last season. The season before we performed well above expectation. I said at the end of last season that he'd had one good and one bad and he'd earned the benefit of the doubt for this season.

 

Now this season is basically over, our league position is borderline acceptable but our performances are garbage. Patchy in 2013 and disgraceful in 2014. Had everything else been equal then Pardew should be walking.

 

However, all else is not equal. We've sold without buying. Our squad is still way too thin on bodies and quality. Pardew deserves criticism but I don't feel like he deserves all, or even most, of the blame.

 

The way I see it, there are 3 ways this goes:

 

1) We're already looking for a replacement, we get them in soon and re-build in the summer around them.

2) We decide Pardew is worthy of a little more time. We recruit in the summer and he's got the first 5-10 games to show he still deserves to be in the job.

3) We don't recruit in the summer and the manager is irrelevant. We're fucked whoever is in charge.

 

Personally, I'd be going for option 1.

 

I think option 2 is what will happen but I wouldn't be surprised by any of them.

[Curtained Wasp]

Re. Elliotgate: Amazing there's someone thicker than Pardew at the club really. 

[r0cafella]

I'm certain Cabaye was here last season.

 

Our squad was still thin last season. Cisse had stopped scoring (and Pardew should have fixed that). But we still didn't have a period like we have over the last few months where we were getting routinely tonked.

 

Our form before selling Cabaye - while up and down - was still much better on the whole. There's a very obvious contrast.

 

You completely disregard from the fact that our squad was in terms of quality still easily a top 8 side last year.

 

I'm not disregarding that at all.

 

We had some good players and should have done better in the league than we did. As a whole, we under-performed last season. The season before we performed well above expectation. I said at the end of last season that he'd had one good and one bad and he'd earned the benefit of the doubt for this season.

 

Now this season is basically over, our league position is borderline acceptable but our performances are garbage. Patchy in 2013 and disgraceful in 2014. Had everything else been equal then Pardew should be walking.

 

However, all else is not equal. We've sold without buying. Our squad is still way too thin on bodies and quality. Pardew deserves criticism but I don't feel like he deserves all, or even most, of the blame.

 

The way I see it, there are 3 ways this goes:

 

1) We're already looking for a replacement, we get them in soon and re-build in the summer around them.

2) We decide Pardew is worthy of a little more time. We recruit in the summer and he's got the first 5-10 games to show he still deserves to be in the job.

3) We don't recruit in the summer and the manager is irrelevant. We're f***ed whoever is in charge.

 

Personally, I'd be going for option 1.

 

I think option 2 is what will happen but I wouldn't be surprised by any of them.

 

Management irrelevant lol.

[Spudil]

Actually TheGuv, did you not have any second thoughts about running with the story? Bearing in mind he probably thought he was just having a private chat?

 

Erm, well I posted on here when p*ssed. Then i stuck the story on here.

 

Peer pressure made me run the story

 

Seriously though. No. If anything I've done is 'unethical'. Fair enough. Ban me from the ground, hound me for it. But I can't be arsed with this club anymore.

 

Anything to bring them down

 

Fair play, I don't agree with posting it for anyone to read but each to his own.

 

One thing I know from doing the French Revolution at A Level ( Bare with me! ) that when the Sans Culottes (the fans) keep getting shat on the tide eventually turns and there is revolution. I feel this amongst the current journo stance could finally kick start it.

 

Would I do it again? Absolutely

 

Fair play to you man and thanks for exposing this cunt!

 

[Flip]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

[Wullie]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Everton's best defender has been missing for the last month, which is why they're playing the fucking teenager they got off Barnsley, and they've been unstoppable. Their best striker was also out for a month earlier in the season - they literally haven't got another striker either. Pienaar's also out with a bad knee injury. They just get on with it and keep winning.

 

Their manager doesn't appear on MOTD waving a white flag every time somebody gets a knock.

[Guest firetotheworks]

There are some right thick c***s on twitter. Our fans are f***ed.

 

"But Keegan never won Manager of the Season!"

 

Please tell me that you're just taking the piss there?

[Guest bimpy474]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Everton's best defender has been missing for the last month, which is why they're playing the fucking teenager they got off Barnsley, and they've been unstoppable. Their best striker was also out for a month earlier in the season - they literally haven't got another striker either. Pienaar's also out with a bad knee injury. They just get on with it and keep winning.

 

Their manager doesn't appear on MOTD waving a white flag every time somebody gets a knock.

 

Amazing what a positive manager gives you, he makes the players feel like they are going to win every game, while our manager tells our players that they can't compete with the big clubs.

 

I really can't fathom how some of our fans don't see it, it's there right under their nose.

[Guest firetotheworks]

First caller on total sport 'it would be panicking getting rid of pardew' fml

 

Had no doubt that would be the case. They cherry pick the calls.

 

No way to go on in support of him and then rip him to shreds on air?

[LucaAltieri]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Martinez is a better manager, without question. If he was available I'd sack off Pardew and have him in a second.

 

But I don't think Pardew is completely fucking useless. He's probably not worthy of any more time. He hasn't been good enough in what I consider key areas of management; motivating players and getting confidence players, like Cisse, playing consistently well. He's on borrowed time.

 

He's a mixed bag and nowhere near Martinez in terms of quality. But that wasn't the point I was making. We don't have Martinez nor do we have any real chance of attracting Martinez.

 

We know Pardew's failings but the club's recruiting failings are just bigger in my opinion. We need a manager who can work around those. At the start it looked like Pardew could. It's becoming increasingly obvious that he can't.

[Mick]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Martinez is a better manager, without question. If he was available I'd sack off Pardew and have him in a second.

 

But I don't think Pardew is completely f***ing useless. He's probably not worthy of any more time. He hasn't been good enough in what I consider key areas of management; motivating players and getting confidence players, like Cisse, playing consistently well. He's on borrowed time.

 

He's a mixed bag and nowhere near Martinez in terms of quality.

 

You're wrong.

[Flip]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Martinez is a better manager, without question. If he was available I'd sack off Pardew and have him in a second.

 

But I don't think Pardew is completely f***ing useless. He's probably not worthy of any more time. He hasn't been good enough in what I consider key areas of management; motivating players and getting confidence players, like Cisse, playing consistently well. He's on borrowed time.

 

He's a mixed bag and nowhere near Martinez in terms of quality.

 

Fair enough if that's your opinion. I'll stick to mine and I've got pretty good evidence to mine that he's absolutely clueless. Individual brilliance has saved him time and time again.

[Cronky]

While I'm not arguing that Pardew is a fantastic manager and deserves no criticism (the Cisse situation is still pissing me off), I think the lack of investment has done more to kill us this season. I don't think it's a coincidence that selling off Cabaye preceded our results turning to shit.

 

The players are clearly demoralized. It's his job to get that sorted ASAP. He's entirely to blame for not fixing the problem but he didn't cause it, in my opinion. I don't think there's a manager in the league who do well under the current circumstances. However there are plenty who'd be able to stop us getting battered at home. He needs to get that shit sorted. If he can't then he needs to go.

 

I view Ashley's board appointment as tentatively positive. I think him sacking JFK and getting more involved with the club is a sign that the last two transfer windows were not acceptable. If we see some investment in the summer then the onus is on Pardew to get the results. A slow start again next season and will mean he needs fucking off. If we don't get investment in the summer then we're screwed whoever is in charge of picking the team.

 

Yeah, I think this next window is crucial. Ashley needed to be more hands-on, and there's some hope that some teamwork is going to be restored to the transfer strategy. Kinnear's appointment just created a power vacuum.

 

Some major changes are needed, and I think the intention is there. We'll have to see whether they can or will deliver, but if they don't, then like you say, Pardew will be toast.

 

 

[r0cafella]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Martinez is a better manager, without question. If he was available I'd sack off Pardew and have him in a second.

 

But I don't think Pardew is completely f***ing useless. He's probably not worthy of any more time. He hasn't been good enough in what I consider key areas of management; motivating players and getting confidence players, like Cisse, playing consistently well. He's on borrowed time.

 

He's a mixed bag and nowhere near Martinez in terms of quality. But that wasn't the point I was making. We don't have Martinez nor do we have any real chance of attracting Martinez.

 

We know Pardew's failings but the club's recruiting failings are just bigger in my opinion. We need a manager who can work around those. At the start it looked like Pardew could. It's becoming increasingly obvious that he can't.

 

What are his strengths?

[TRon]

Luca.

 

Look at Everton and tell me how they're doing well. Have they had a larger investment than us past seasons? Is Naismith, Stones, Barry (who many called past it at City), Tim Howard and other really top 4 quality players? Osman? No way. They have gotten hold of a great manager and have a much brighter future. We're stuck here mid-table for the unforeseeable future with this guy in charge.

 

Martinez is a better manager, without question. If he was available I'd sack off Pardew and have him in a second.

 

But I don't think Pardew is completely fucking useless. He's probably not worthy of any more time. He hasn't been good enough in what I consider key areas of management; motivating players and getting confidence players, like Cisse, playing consistently well. He's on borrowed time.

 

He's a mixed bag and nowhere near Martinez in terms of quality. But that wasn't the point I was making. We don't have Martinez nor do we have any real chance of attracting Martinez.

 

We know Pardew's failings but the club's recruiting failings are just bigger in my opinion. We need a manager who can work around those. At the start it looked like Pardew could. It's becoming increasingly obvious that he can't.

 

No, we just need a manager who is of a high enough calibre enough to be at a magnificent club like this. Signing has-beens and pissheads is not the way to go. Sadly, the appointment of Lee Charnley makes me very doubtful anything is about to change.

[Dave]

Yeah, I think this next window is crucial.

 

Wayhey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!