jdckelly Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 This is only "as good as it gets" because we're that fucking done in from last year that our decent foray into the top 8 over the past couple of months seems like some monumental achievement and not just something that should be expected with this squad. to achieve it regularily will require a lot more than just a decent first team. Sides like Everton and Spurs are light years ahead of us in every regard off the field. Until work is done to improve everything about the club from the first team down to how we train kids in the academy then any achievement like this or 5th will be fleeting successes as teams with a lot more cash and cl football pick apart our side at will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 these points might say otherwise Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities. More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks. Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton. The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not. Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion. I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field That's smoke and mirrors. The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap. If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million. Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour? Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the shite he served up last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off. Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like? Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind. It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off. Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like? Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind. It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong? We can't compete with Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I saw that interview today and think it was Pardew being a wum, had a wry smile when saying it. Who was he winding up? I didn't see it so you might be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small. We are competing with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 This is only "as good as it gets" because we're that fucking done in from last year that our decent foray into the top 8 over the past couple of months seems like some monumental achievement and not just something that should be expected with this squad. to achieve it regularily will require a lot more than just a decent first team. Sides like Everton and Spurs are light years ahead of us in every regard off the field. Until work is done to improve everything about the club from the first team down to how we train kids in the academy then any achievement like this or 5th will be fleeting successes as teams with a lot more cash and cl football pick apart our side at will. How on earth are Everton light years ahead of us off the field? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Everton are full of loan players, where will thy be next season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 We were the 20th richest club in the world last season ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 This is only "as good as it gets" because we're that f***ing done in from last year that our decent foray into the top 8 over the past couple of months seems like some monumental achievement and not just something that should be expected with this squad. to achieve it regularily will require a lot more than just a decent first team. Sides like Everton and Spurs are light years ahead of us in every regard off the field. Until work is done to improve everything about the club from the first team down to how we train kids in the academy then any achievement like this or 5th will be fleeting successes as teams with a lot more cash and cl football pick apart our side at will. Bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 We should always be looking to finish in the top 4 at the most and the top 6 at the least and we should always try to win every cup competition we enter. Under these lot though the ambition is clear - top 10 max, safety bare minimum and no cups. Me, I can't bare watching it and only me being a Geordie and a former huge fan of the club is keeping me thinly interested these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Club size has to include owners ambition and sadly this is where we fail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 these points might say otherwise Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities. More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks. Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton. The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not. Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion. I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field That's smoke and mirrors. The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap. If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million. Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour? Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the shite he served up last year. not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 these points might say otherwise Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities. More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks. Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton. The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not. Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion. I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field That's smoke and mirrors. The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap. If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million. Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour? Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year. something that urgently, desperately needs changing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small. Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off. Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like? Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind. It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong? Pardew keeps on playing the club down, both the quality of it's playing staff and it's spending power. And people are obviously falling for his shit when they agree that we are "overachieving" Make no mistake, I'm happy with the job Pardew is doing at the minute and I hope he continues to get the performances out of our players that he has been this season. It just saddens me that people view this as us overachieving. Overachieving would be us capitalising on some poor form from Man U and Tottenham and breaking the top 4, something which I fully believe would be possible under a different manager. As it happens this may happen, only it'll likely be Everton and not us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I saw that interview today and think it was Pardew being a wum, had a wry smile when saying it. Who was he winding up? I didn't see it so you might be right. Interviewer/ pundits/ press/people up the arse of the so called big clubs. was my immediate thought watching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent. Again, bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 these points might say otherwise Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities. More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks. Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton. The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not. Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion. I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field That's smoke and mirrors. The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap. If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million. Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour? Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year. not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent. ITK ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Fan base and stadium size we are huge, financial and trophy wise we are small. Go on then, list the clubs in the Premiership who are bigger. When I say financial, no point having loads of money if the owner is not willing to invest to match fans ambition. Ashley's lack of ambition for the club is what hurts us most Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 This is only "as good as it gets" because we're that f***ing done in from last year that our decent foray into the top 8 over the past couple of months seems like some monumental achievement and not just something that should be expected with this squad. to achieve it regularily will require a lot more than just a decent first team. Sides like Everton and Spurs are light years ahead of us in every regard off the field. Until work is done to improve everything about the club from the first team down to how we train kids in the academy then any achievement like this or 5th will be fleeting successes as teams with a lot more cash and cl football pick apart our side at will. Bollocks. off the field, yes they are miles ahead of us. To think otherwise is lunacy considering who we have for an owner and how he runs things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 something that urgently, desperately needs changing. Agreed, he's had time to do something to change it and I've seen nothing to suggest that he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 these points might say otherwise Pardew, let us not forget, is working under a Director of Football whose every public appearance brings the risk of an international incident and an owner that has contrived to make an awful lot of enemies in one of this countries’ friendliest cities. More to the point, Newcastle began this season in disarray, with a summer of discontent that carried whispers of Pardew’s possible exit and star player Yohan Cabaye on strike in the opening weeks. Pardew did not have access to a budget in excess of £25 million as Pochettino did in the summer (there was only the loan signing of Loic Remy), nor does he benefit from a prolific youth system established long before his arrival, as Pochettino has done at Southampton. The most notable graduates from the Newcastle academy in recent years have been Andy Carroll, Steven Taylor and the Ameobi brothers. The Class of ‘92 it is not. Peering in from the outside, Newcastle do not appear structurally sound, careering from one PR disaster to another and if it were not for the firefighting and acumen of Pardew and Carr in these last few years, Newcastle could quite feasibly have staggered along that Leeds United treadmill to oblivion. I find it hard to disagree with any of those points considering what a circus the club is off the field That's smoke and mirrors. The money somebody has had to spend matters not one bit as we've got some very good players who we've brought in on the cheap. If spending money was all that you have to do, Souness wouldn't have been sacked here after spending something like £50 million. Our youth system has been here since long before Pardew turned up so he's had over 3 years to do something with it and so far we've seen nothing, how does that work in his favour? Pardew was under pressure at the start of the season and rightly so after the s**** he served up last year. not really smoke and mirrors its reality of nufc the club is an utter shambles in every department but on the pitch. The amount of money spent you make is valid but the fact is we spent nothing at all in the summer and don't look likely to this window either and thats an issue for any manager when your basically standing still. The youth system requires attention and expertise which the manager can only go so far in getting it requires a real will to improve it from board level which is non existent. ITK ? educated guess based on the current DOF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Pardew's "we're a tiny club" spiel is obviously rubbing off. Jesus. Did everyone think we were a massive club before pardew strolled in like? Baffled as to where you got "Everyone thought we were a massive club" from "Pardew's 'we're a tiny club' spiel is obviously rubbing off" mind. It was your comment about pardews spiel rubbing off. No ones suggesting we are a tiny club. All I'm saying is we are doing well with what we've got. We can't compete with those above us, so I'm unsure exactly what pardew has said wrong? Pardew keeps on playing the club down, both the quality of it's playing staff and it's spending power. And people are obviously falling for his s*** when they agree that we are "overachieving" Make no mistake, I'm happy with the job Pardew is doing at the minute and I hope he continues to get the performances out of our players that he has been this season. It just saddens me that people view this as us overachieving. Overachieving would be us capitalising on some poor form from Man U and Tottenham and breaking the top 4, something which I fully believe would be possible under a different manager. As it happens this may happen, only it'll likely be Everton and not us. I don't think we are overachieving but I do think the league table portrays exactly where we are as a club right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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