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"British talent"

 

Erm, if you want the top end British talent then you'll be paying mega bucks.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

When he says English talent, he means players who run around like daft cunts.

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Sigh...ian rush on ssn saying the fans would rather lose 4-3 lol.  Lame as fuck. Clueless comments.  Why do pubdits do no research before going on tv and spouting shit.

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"British talent"

 

Erm, if you want the top end British talent then you'll be paying mega bucks.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

When he says English talent, he means players who run around like daft cunts.

 

Genuine English talent comes at a premium rate. We were sniffing around James McCarthy until we were quoted £15m at which point Charnley probably disconnected the phone lines. So he ended up going to moneybags Everton instead.

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Bored with nothing better to do, so just thought I'd rant about footballing reasons applying to this season only as to why I hate Pardew (ignored his lies/excuses/lack of ambition/ties with Ashley):

 

1) Doesn't have a clue how to get players to pass and move effectively on the training ground, resulting in players turning up every week looking like they have no clue how they're meant to be creating goals as a team other than to just kick it forward and chase the ball (or try lots of 30-40 yard shots).

 

2) Lack of a single footballing philosophy that he sticks by. Ben Arfa has himself said Pardew sometimes asks them to kick it, other times to pass it. It’s no wonder the players look clueless so often, they’re being coached by someone who himself doesn’t know what style of play he believes in. How are they meant to excel at one given that other teams (with top managers) all focus on one style that they build upon? It's like a vicious cycle under this guy. Hoofball doesn't work because it's inherently flawed (and a waste of genuine talent if you have any) and difficult to implement without someone like Carroll up front. So we resort to having to pass when results reflect the state of the hoofball and Pardew gets desperate: but then trying to pass doesn't work because it's difficult to implement, not something you can just switch on and off if players aren't drilled to move and show for each other. So when passing doesn't work we resort to hoofball because that's what Pardew believes in, but then we're back to the beginning of the cycle. And all of this is the manager's doing.

 

3) Utterly and totally reliant on top class players to gloss over his own failings and keep the team's neck above water. I think it has been lost on some people that Remy and Cabaye are/were damn good CL calibre players who we were lucky to have in the first place. It’s not a given for a low spending mid table club to have players of that calibre. Pardew building up a complete dependency on that level of player to such an extent that we’re talking about serious relegation form without them is just an insane situation to have when we factor in him not being sacked for it.

 

4) Gameplans, or lack thereof. Plan A = negative stop the opposition hit and hope stuff, already covered earlier in this rant. Plan B = ??. Or more precisely, "throw Shola on and launch it". Worst NUFC team I've ever seen when we go a goal behind. Again, all entirely to do with Pardew.

 

5) Defending, or lack thereof. Despite his unbearably negative approach to the game and all the changes he makes aimed at nullifying the opposition, we leak goals left, right and centre far too often. He plays defensive "wingers" to stop opposition fullbacks, and those fullbacks still go and create goals for their teams. The guy thinks he's a tactical genius clearly, but it's obvious he just clueless in this department and none of what he does actually helps. Might be worth throwing defending at set pieces into here.

 

5) Formations. Could have played 4-3-3 for the whole season given that anyone who isn't blind can see it suits our squad of players best (and has done since 11/12) - but other than a handful of appearances Pardew has refused to play it for unknown reasons, just like he did for the entirety of last season when he nearly got us relegated. 4-3-3 suits all of our players best, but that clearly doesn’t matter because…

 

6) Could have played Ben Arfa as a right wing forward for the whole season, especially after the sale of Cabaye - after one average game vs Hull Hatem hasn’t played a single game there.

 

7) Could have started Marveaux in every game since Cabaye's sale, especially after Marveaux has looked a class act in the AM role on a number of occasions (especially the Christmas period in 12/13 vs ManU and Arsenal no less) - but no, Pardew refuses to even field Marveaux whilst Shola and Gosling get run outs.

 

8) Openly stated in the media that due to Cabaye's sale we would be switching from a passing game to a "different approach". Started Shola next game and we hoofed it to him at every opportunity. Pardew's idea, Pardew's vision, Pardew's responsibility. It’s clear as day that he genuinely believes in this “hoof it” nonsense.

 

9) We briefly had a moderately solid centreback pairing in Yanga MBwia and Williamson who seemed to complement each other well, with MBwia especially starting to look like the player he was described as being when we signed him. After losing his place to Colo for no real reason, Yanga hasn’t been seen at centreback since, and somehow even ended up behind Steven Taylor in the queue despite Saylor being Saylor. Just another in a long line of inexplicable decisions from Pardew where he is destroying the confidence of a promising player for unknown reasons.

 

10) Was obvious from very early on that Sissoko + Gouffran on the wings would not work in the long run. Neither provide any creativity and both are average “footballers” at best when being played out of position (we have no idea what they’d be like in their natural positions as Pardew refuses to play them there). Why does Pardew refuse to see this? Well, we all know why, because they’re only there to defend as that’s all Pardew sees. Same way he started Jonas in nearly every game in 12/13.

 

Rant over.

 

 

 

Spot. On.

 

Needs to be sent to muppets like Carragher and Neville who prefer to rely on tired old 'deluded jawdee' stereotypes rather than bother to find out the real truth why we want rid of Pardew.

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I think that's something we can all agree with :)

Speak for yourself. Time to find another forum. With a modicum of balance. I wish you knew what went on behind the scenes.

 

If it's that bad, why doesn't he walk?

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I think that's something we can all agree with :)

Speak for yourself. Time to find another forum. With a modicum of balance. I wish you knew what went on behind the scenes.

 

If it's that bad, why doesn't he walk?

 

Seriously?

 

"Pardew talked about “taking stock” of things at the end of the season, but denied he would resign. Managers do not walk away from severance packages. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10808018/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-feels-full-fury-of-fans-despite-victory-which-condemns-Cardiff-to-relegation.html

 

Who was the last Premier League manager to resign on principle? Or, for that matter, resigned because of their own poor performance? What about the last Championship manager, or Liga, or Serie A manager who "did the right thing" and resigned?

 

I'm not for saying for one minute that Pardew shouldn't resign (I'd prefer he commit seppuka in the centre circle), but it simply doesn't happen anymore. If you can find a realistic comparison case I will plead mea culpa, but I genuinely can't think of an actual resignation in the recent past that wasn't "going somewhere better" or a "mutual agreement" that was actually a sacking.

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I think that's something we can all agree with :)

Speak for yourself. Time to find another forum. With a modicum of balance. I wish you knew what went on behind the scenes.

 

If it's that bad, why doesn't he walk?

 

Seriously?

 

"Pardew talked about “taking stock” of things at the end of the season, but denied he would resign. Managers do not walk away from severance packages. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10808018/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-feels-full-fury-of-fans-despite-victory-which-condemns-Cardiff-to-relegation.html

 

Who was the last Premier League manager to resign on principle? Or, for that matter, resigned because of their own poor performance? What about the last Championship manager, or Liga, or Serie A manager who "did the right thing" and resigned?

 

I'm not for saying for one minute that Pardew shouldn't resign (I'd prefer he commit seppuka in the centre circle), but it simply doesn't happen anymore. If you can find a realistic comparison case I will plead mea culpa, but I genuinely can't think of an actual resignation in the recent past that wasn't "going somewhere better" or a "mutual agreement" that was actually a sacking.

 

Zola?

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The whole 'he should walk' argument is a complete non-starter and always has been.

 

If it's true that he wants a contact for Shola and can't have it, and the protests continue, plus a trashing by Liverpool, it's possible Ashley is just waiting for the summer to end Pardew. That said, who the fook knows.

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The whole 'he should walk' argument is a complete non-starter and always has been.

 

If it's true that he wants a contact for Shola and can't have it, and the protests continue, plus a trashing by Liverpool, it's possible Ashley is just waiting for the summer to end Pardew. That said, who the fook knows.

 

Guessing mike ashley is anyone's guess.

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I think that's something we can all agree with :)

Speak for yourself. Time to find another forum. With a modicum of balance. I wish you knew what went on behind the scenes.

 

If it's that bad, why doesn't he walk?

 

Seriously?

 

"Pardew talked about “taking stock” of things at the end of the season, but denied he would resign. Managers do not walk away from severance packages. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10808018/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-feels-full-fury-of-fans-despite-victory-which-condemns-Cardiff-to-relegation.html

 

Who was the last Premier League manager to resign on principle? Or, for that matter, resigned because of their own poor performance? What about the last Championship manager, or Liga, or Serie A manager who "did the right thing" and resigned?

 

I'm not for saying for one minute that Pardew shouldn't resign (I'd prefer he commit seppuka in the centre circle), but it simply doesn't happen anymore. If you can find a realistic comparison case I will plead mea culpa, but I genuinely can't think of an actual resignation in the recent past that wasn't "going somewhere better" or a "mutual agreement" that was actually a sacking.

 

There's one example from a few years ago that actually involves NUFC.  A manager who realised that he'd lose the dressing room & the fans backing and decided that his position was untenable.  As much as I disliked the football & results under him, I admire him for leaving on his own accord rather than hanging around like a dead albatross waiting for a payoff.

 

http://www.soccerbyives.net/images/2008-small/08/03/ruud_gullit_isiphotoscom_2.jpg

 

Whilst not a Premiership club, Gordon Strachan left his Middlesbrough job for similar reasons not that long ago.  Any manager with an ounce of professional pride would have walked months ago. 

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Is there a mid season clause or something? If he wants it to happen why hasn't it by now?

 

My only hope is that a clause is triggered if we finish below the much-vaunted 10th place, so Ashley is waiting to see what our finishing position is.

 

I think similar happened with Moyes - As soon as he was mathematically unable to achieve 4th place, he was gone, and (Whilst we'll almost certainly never know for sure) it seemed suspiciously like there might have been a clause there as well.

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I think that's something we can all agree with :)

Speak for yourself. Time to find another forum. With a modicum of balance. I wish you knew what went on behind the scenes.

 

If it's that bad, why doesn't he walk?

 

Seriously?

 

"Pardew talked about “taking stock” of things at the end of the season, but denied he would resign. Managers do not walk away from severance packages. " http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10808018/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-feels-full-fury-of-fans-despite-victory-which-condemns-Cardiff-to-relegation.html

 

Who was the last Premier League manager to resign on principle? Or, for that matter, resigned because of their own poor performance? What about the last Championship manager, or Liga, or Serie A manager who "did the right thing" and resigned?

 

I'm not for saying for one minute that Pardew shouldn't resign (I'd prefer he commit seppuka in the centre circle), but it simply doesn't happen anymore. If you can find a realistic comparison case I will plead mea culpa, but I genuinely can't think of an actual resignation in the recent past that wasn't "going somewhere better" or a "mutual agreement" that was actually a sacking.

 

There's one example from a few years ago that actually involves NUFC.  A manager who realised that he'd lose the dressing room & the fans backing and decided that his position was untenable.  As much as I disliked the football & results under him, I admire him for leaving on his own accord rather than hanging around like a dead albatross waiting for a payoff.

 

http://www.soccerbyives.net/images/2008-small/08/03/ruud_gullit_isiphotoscom_2.jpg

 

Whilst not a Premiership club, Gordon Strachan left his Middlesbrough job for similar reasons not that long ago.  Any manager with an ounce of professional pride would have walked months ago. 

 

:thup:

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I think Souness was an example of a manager that hung around until he was sacked and got a massive lump sum in the process. Now he has simply became a part time pundit and has no interest in managing again. I can see Pardew doing the same, except he probably wont get as big a pay off.

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