Manchester United

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Nah man. I disagree.

 

Ultimately the point was to figure out the issues at the club from ground zero.

 

I guess ultimately it made no difference because they didn't even listen to the man anyway.

 

Putting in Carrick or McKenna would have just been another Ole situation. The team does a bit better till the players can't be bothered again and then down tools.

He could’ve done that without being coach.  Like every other DOF in football. Being coach ruined his reputation as DOF. 

 

Bringing McKenna would’ve meant he could’ve studied the players up close without tarnishing his reputation.  So that the leadership would actually listen to him.  
 

It was an awful appointment from the start. ETH was a good hire on paper but he should’ve been sacked after finishing 8th.   But they let him buy more dross like Zirkzee (I’ve jinxed us here). 

[KaKa]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He could’ve done that without being coach.  Like every other DOF in football. Being coach ruined his reputation as DOF. 

 

Bringing McKenna would’ve meant he could’ve studied the players up close without tarnishing his reputation.  So that the leadership would actually listen to him.  
 

It was an awful appointment from the start. ETH was a good hire on paper but he should’ve been sacked after finishing 8th.   But they let him buy more dross like Zirkzee (I’ve jinxed us here). 

 

Funnily enough the players were already slagging off McKenna back then.

 

Don't think they felt comfortable putting an assistant in charge.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1978326/Kieran-McKenna-Ruben-Amorim-Manchester-United

[The College Dropout]

29 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Funnily enough the players were already slagging off McKenna back then.

 

Don't think they felt comfortable putting an assistant in charge.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1978326/Kieran-McKenna-Ruben-Amorim-Manchester-United

My point is - by taking the coaching job Rangnick tanked his own credibility as DOF or whatever his initial role was. 
 

Giving the managers job to literally anybody else as an interim would’ve allowed him to focus on that initial job. He didn’t need to coach the players to run the rule on them. No DOF has needed to do that.
 

He had a good track record as a DOF but he was horrendously under qualified to take the managerial job.  Which showed. Then undermined his DOF job.

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by The College Dropout

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

My point is - by taking the coaching job Rangnick tanked his own credibility as DOF or whatever his initial role was. 
 

Giving the managers job to literally anybody else as an interim would’ve allowed him to focus on that initial job. He didn’t need to coach the players to run the rule on them. No DOF has needed to do that.
 

He had a good track record as a DOF but he was horrendously under qualified to take the managerial job.  Which showed. Then undermined his DOF job.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that's how the people at Man Utd perceived it, but it was a miscalculation.

 

The same set of players have failed to respond to a multitude of managers now, and so it clearly wasn't Ragnick as a manager that was the issue.

 

The issues were the things he raised in his report, but as has been typical at Man Utd, Ragnick was the easy fall guy and scape goat.

 

I think they just didn't like hearing the truth from him, rather than it being because he had been undermined by his term as manager.

 

So agree to disagree on that point if that's how you see it.

[Ben]

I think Amorim is making a right hash of it so far, I think he's found a bunch of mismatched players with not much motivation and he seems at a loss as what to do, I reckon organising more than 4 training sessions might have helped though 

[Chris_R]

4 hours ago, Checko said:

"You can argue I have been here one month and I've had four training [sessions], but we are not winning. That is the reality." - They've hired the Portugese Steve Bruce!

 

Yeah I thought the same. How can you have been there a month and there's been 4 training sessions? No wonder your ideas aren't going in very quickly.

[Elric]

4 hours ago, Checko said:

"You can argue I have been here one month and I've had four training [sessions], but we are not winning. That is the reality." - They've hired the Portugese Steve Bruce!

 

"Julgue-me depois de 10 jogos!"

[Froggy]

18 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

Yeah I thought the same. How can you have been there a month and there's been 4 training sessions? No wonder your ideas aren't going in very quickly.

 

Too many games. Can't risk burnout or injuries by having a ton of training sessions in between two games every week can you? 

 

That's the joys of playing in Europe. 

[Dokko]

17 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Too many games. Can't risk burnout or injuries by having a ton of training sessions in between two games every week can you? 

 

That's the joys of playing in Europe. 

 

I judt hear excuses and you defending them. Same as always.

 

 

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Dokko said:

I judt hear excuses and you defending them. Same as always.

 

I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not judging a manager after a handful of games because I'm not an idiot. 

[lovejoy]

Judging this manager so early is mental.

 

 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not judging a manager after a handful of games because I'm not an idiot. 

However you did say Ten Haag was doing a good job, whilst I called him out after about 8 games (smug face). I will tell you my opinion of Amorim in around about 6 weeks.  And I will be right you know. 

[Zero]

Amorim could be a great manager, certainly we need a lot more time to make a judgement on him, but I do think we can already say this is a horrible appointment. It’s more on the management side

[Nucasol]

Brexit Jim at it again - £40k a year saved but goodwill pissed up the wall. Less than a day of Casemiro’s wages.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14231157/Man-Uniteds-Scrooge-owner-Sir-Jim-Ratcliffe-cancels-40-000-charity-donation-club-legends-multi-billionaires-latest-penny-pinching-sacking-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html

[ExiledGeordie]

54 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

Brexit Jim at it again - £40k a year saved but goodwill pissed up the wall. Less than a day of Casemiro’s wages.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14231157/Man-Uniteds-Scrooge-owner-Sir-Jim-Ratcliffe-cancels-40-000-charity-donation-club-legends-multi-billionaires-latest-penny-pinching-sacking-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html

 

This has just been mentioned on talksport, he’s really burning a lot of bridges. Cost cutting absolutely in the wrong places. 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[Ben]

I can't wait to see 40 year old fat blokes in tight fitting kits that have paid £10k each to be a mascot for the day, Man Utd sold out to the Prawn sandwich brigade years ago but this fella cold run them into the ground

[Ronson333]

Agent Jim is doing a great job 👍

[WilliamPS]

The flow of stories is so damaging. Makes me think he’s also taken away the journos matchday buffet and hospitality and they’re fuming 

[ExiledGeordie]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

I can't wait to see 40 year old fat blokes in tight fitting kits that have paid £10k each to be a mascot for the day, Man Utd sold out to the Prawn sandwich brigade years ago but this fella cold run them into the ground

He’s like a weird Ashley version but the difference being he can’t keep his mouth shut or stay out of the limelight. 

[Ronson333]

Former Man Utd chief scout Mick Brown has slammed Ratcliffe and INEOS as they have “been appalling”, while the takeover has been a “PR disaster”.

“I’ve been staggered and amazed at the attitude of INEOS,” Brown told Football Insider. “I don’t know where they learnt their staff management skills, but they’ve been appalling.

“First of all, as far as I can see, they’re agents of the Glazers and the first thing they do is make sure the Glazers and themselves get their money passed to them. Never mind the club, the club has to pay for it in some way.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-man-united-staff-left-stunned-by-latest-appalling-ineos-decision/
 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Ronson333

[Froggy]

6 hours ago, Rod said:

However you did say Ten Haag was doing a good job, whilst I called him out after about 8 games (smug face). I will tell you my opinion of Amorim in around about 6 weeks.  And I will be right you know. 

 

He was doing a good job, until he wasn't. I will listen to whatever you have to say though Rod. 

[Ben]

Do they have money to spend in January ? 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

Do they have money to spend in January ? 

 

No. We need to sell to buy. 

[El Prontonise]

[Cronky]

10 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not judging a manager after a handful of games because I'm not an idiot. 

 

It's not just the manager though, it's the situation in which he finds himself. Whether it's all salvagable I doubt, but if so, I think three things need to happen.

 

1) His body language and his public statements need to be a lot more positive, whatever he's feeling inside. Stuff like 'one of the worst situations in the club's history' will not help to inspire the players. Or himself for that matter.

 

2) I think his project of bringing in a new system has to be parked until the summer, when he'll have more opportunity to change the squad around. If his current time is as restricted as he says, it makes no sense to institute major changes. Harry Maguire has talked about concentrating on the basics, and that sounds sensible to me. At the moment, it looks like a classic case of a new manager trying to change too much too soon.

 

3) He needs to get rid of Rashford. That won't be easy, because no club in their right mind is going to shell out a £50m transfer fee and 300 grand a week in wages. He will need the support of those above him, who won't like taking the hit. There also seem to be journos out there who are happy to keep this pot boiling by taking Rashford's side. However, you have a senior player who is not pulling his weight and who has reacted to being dropped by saying he wants to move. It's a team game and he has to go.

 

Good luck (after Monday).

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Cronky