Manchester United

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

17 minutes ago, KaKa said:

If the team keeps losing games, will they just keep him in there regardless?

 

Am I reading this right - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgm9evp4177o

 

Surely the board must be backing him in the long term - or are there factions - each trying to get the better of the other - as if he thinks he's up for the chop - then that's another 30m gone down the pan.

15m for paying him off and 15m for the next idiot.

 

If it were me - i'd have someone at that press conf - and draw a line under those types of questions - as it does him or the team no good.

 

It's not like I'm wanting them to succeed - oh no - far from it - but it just the timing as he hasn't been given that long.

 

For me - I'd put the whole squad up for sale and get rid of the overpaid wasters - then start again from scratch - like City did when they went down.

[Kilcline]

1 minute ago, South-Cheshire-Toon said:

 

Am I reading this right - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgm9evp4177o

 

Surely the board must be backing him in the long term - or are there factions - each trying to get the better of the other - as if he thinks he's up for the chop - then that's another 30m gone down the pan.

15m for paying him off and 15m for the next idiot.

 

If it were me - i'd have someone at that press conf - and draw a line under those types of questions - as it does him or the team no good.

 

It's not like I'm wanting them to succeed - oh no - far from it - but it just the timing as he hasn't been given that long.

 

For me - I'd put the whole squad up for sale and get rid of the overpaid wasters - then start again from scratch - like City did when they went down.

On the presser bit, I find it bizarre how every club/country has a press officer sitting at the end of the table for every single one of these yet managers and coaches still find themselves being asked and answering random non-football-related questions or things they won't necessarily know the answer to. See Taylor, L asking Howe about the clinical definition of gambling addiction or whatever it was, Carsley and the national anthem, Southgate and goodness knows what, that time Howe was asked about executions, howay man.

[KaKa]

21 minutes ago, South-Cheshire-Toon said:

 

Am I reading this right - 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgm9evp4177o

 

Surely the board must be backing him in the long term - or are there factions - each trying to get the better of the other - as if he thinks he's up for the chop - then that's another 30m gone down the pan.

15m for paying him off and 15m for the next idiot.

 

If it were me - i'd have someone at that press conf - and draw a line under those types of questions - as it does him or the team no good.

 

It's not like I'm wanting them to succeed - oh no - far from it - but it just the timing as he hasn't been given that long.

 

For me - I'd put the whole squad up for sale and get rid of the overpaid wasters - then start again from scratch - like City did when they went down.

 

Had no idea this was already being discussed there 

 

In that article it says he actually asked to join in the summer and Berrarda insisted on him coming in now.

 

Seems he knew himself implementing what he needed to would be best done in the summer.

 

Pushing for him to come in now is looking a really bad idea, and if the loses keep piling up, not sure how they can just keep him there.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by KaKa

[James]

They have PSR difficulties too so sacking him getting someone else will be difficult.

 

Maybe if he’s not up for it this season but needs a summer transfer window they will put him on sabbatical and give Fergie the job until end of season

[The College Dropout]

54 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Since they asked him to do it. We've seen other interim appointments till the end of the season.

 

Based on what he had to say at the end of it, it looked like a great call, had they bothered to follow up with his recommendations and keep him on to restructure the club.

 

It seemed to give him a greater insight to all of the issues they had internally with the players. And every problem he raised is still in place there up till now!

 

 

 

And again - which club asks their DOF to be their interim manager? 
 

Weird behaviour from shit leadership. Glazers are legit awful. 
 

Agree they might as well have listened to him. But he didn’t need to tank the team and his reputation to get that analysis.  

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

For every one of them you have bought, there is a Casemiro, Weghorst, Evans, Dubravka, Butland, Erikson, Varane, Ronaldo, Heaton, Cavani, Ighalo, and Lee Grant.

 

You've named 4 keepers there who were free and signed as third choice man. you need to do a bit better than that.

[KaKa]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

And again - which club asks their DOF to be their interim manager? 
 

Weird behaviour from shit leadership. Glazers are legit awful. 
 

Agree they might as well have listened to him. But he didn’t need to tank the team and his reputation to get that analysis.  

 

Ragnick also had previous extensive experience as a manager though.

 

Once they got rid of Ole and we're going to wait till the summer, I think it made sense to put Ragnick in there on an interim basis. He could then also start reviewing things to change long term in a more executive role.

 

Usually clubs just put some assistant in charge anyway.

[Stifler]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

You've named 4 keepers there who were free and signed as third choice man. you need to do a bit better than that.

Not really, could have just bought 1 keeper.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Ragnick also had previous extensive experience as a manager though.

 

Once they got rid of Ole and we're going to wait till the summer, I think it made sense to put Ragnick in there on an interim basis. He could then also start reviewing things to change long term in a more executive role.

 

Usually clubs just put some assistant in charge anyway.

Rangnick had been managing for a combined 2 years in the previous 10 years. Being 60+ years old and never managing a club close to the stature of Man U. He should have never managed the club.

 

The stint was a horror show and undermined his credibility.

 

Better to give it to some youngish assistant than Rangnick. Carrick, the Ipswich gaffer - whoever.

[Doctor Zaius]

6 hours ago, The Butcher said:

Watching this back. And they gave the cunt a new deal

 

Heart completely gone. He's finished and he's career will end like Dele and Lingard.

 

Raahford in that game at SJP put in one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any player, ever.

 

Players are often shite but it's actually quite rare to see a player so brazenly not trying. Wasn't even bothering like. 

[Checko]

"You can argue I have been here one month and I've had four training [sessions], but we are not winning. That is the reality." - They've hired the Portugese Steve Bruce!

[astraguy]

41 minutes ago, James said:

They have PSR difficulties too so sacking him getting someone else will be difficult.

 

Maybe if he’s not up for it this season but needs a summer transfer window they will put him on sabbatical and give Fergie the job until end of season

PSR will not be a problem for them in a week or so just watch. Both Manchester clubs will spend big 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Rangnick had been managing for a combined 2 years in the previous 10 years. Being 60+ years old and never managing a club close to the stature of Man U. He should have never managed the club.

 

The stint was a horror show and undermined his credibility.

 

Better to give it to some youngish assistant than Rangnick. Carrick, the Ipswich gaffer - whoever.

 

Nah man. I disagree.

 

Ultimately the point was to figure out the issues at the club from ground zero.

 

I guess ultimately it made no difference because they didn't even listen to the man anyway.

 

Putting in Carrick or McKenna would have just been another Ole situation. The team does a bit better till the players can't be bothered again and then down tools.

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Nah man. I disagree.

 

Ultimately the point was to figure out the issues at the club from ground zero.

 

I guess ultimately it made no difference because they didn't even listen to the man anyway.

 

Putting in Carrick or McKenna would have just been another Ole situation. The team does a bit better till the players can't be bothered again and then down tools.

He could’ve done that without being coach.  Like every other DOF in football. Being coach ruined his reputation as DOF. 

 

Bringing McKenna would’ve meant he could’ve studied the players up close without tarnishing his reputation.  So that the leadership would actually listen to him.  
 

It was an awful appointment from the start. ETH was a good hire on paper but he should’ve been sacked after finishing 8th.   But they let him buy more dross like Zirkzee (I’ve jinxed us here). 

[KaKa]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He could’ve done that without being coach.  Like every other DOF in football. Being coach ruined his reputation as DOF. 

 

Bringing McKenna would’ve meant he could’ve studied the players up close without tarnishing his reputation.  So that the leadership would actually listen to him.  
 

It was an awful appointment from the start. ETH was a good hire on paper but he should’ve been sacked after finishing 8th.   But they let him buy more dross like Zirkzee (I’ve jinxed us here). 

 

Funnily enough the players were already slagging off McKenna back then.

 

Don't think they felt comfortable putting an assistant in charge.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1978326/Kieran-McKenna-Ruben-Amorim-Manchester-United

[The College Dropout]

29 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Funnily enough the players were already slagging off McKenna back then.

 

Don't think they felt comfortable putting an assistant in charge.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1978326/Kieran-McKenna-Ruben-Amorim-Manchester-United

My point is - by taking the coaching job Rangnick tanked his own credibility as DOF or whatever his initial role was. 
 

Giving the managers job to literally anybody else as an interim would’ve allowed him to focus on that initial job. He didn’t need to coach the players to run the rule on them. No DOF has needed to do that.
 

He had a good track record as a DOF but he was horrendously under qualified to take the managerial job.  Which showed. Then undermined his DOF job.

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by The College Dropout

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

My point is - by taking the coaching job Rangnick tanked his own credibility as DOF or whatever his initial role was. 
 

Giving the managers job to literally anybody else as an interim would’ve allowed him to focus on that initial job. He didn’t need to coach the players to run the rule on them. No DOF has needed to do that.
 

He had a good track record as a DOF but he was horrendously under qualified to take the managerial job.  Which showed. Then undermined his DOF job.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that's how the people at Man Utd perceived it, but it was a miscalculation.

 

The same set of players have failed to respond to a multitude of managers now, and so it clearly wasn't Ragnick as a manager that was the issue.

 

The issues were the things he raised in his report, but as has been typical at Man Utd, Ragnick was the easy fall guy and scape goat.

 

I think they just didn't like hearing the truth from him, rather than it being because he had been undermined by his term as manager.

 

So agree to disagree on that point if that's how you see it.

[Ben]

I think Amorim is making a right hash of it so far, I think he's found a bunch of mismatched players with not much motivation and he seems at a loss as what to do, I reckon organising more than 4 training sessions might have helped though 

[Chris_R]

4 hours ago, Checko said:

"You can argue I have been here one month and I've had four training [sessions], but we are not winning. That is the reality." - They've hired the Portugese Steve Bruce!

 

Yeah I thought the same. How can you have been there a month and there's been 4 training sessions? No wonder your ideas aren't going in very quickly.

[Elric]

4 hours ago, Checko said:

"You can argue I have been here one month and I've had four training [sessions], but we are not winning. That is the reality." - They've hired the Portugese Steve Bruce!

 

"Julgue-me depois de 10 jogos!"

[Froggy]

18 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

Yeah I thought the same. How can you have been there a month and there's been 4 training sessions? No wonder your ideas aren't going in very quickly.

 

Too many games. Can't risk burnout or injuries by having a ton of training sessions in between two games every week can you? 

 

That's the joys of playing in Europe. 

[Dokko]

17 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Too many games. Can't risk burnout or injuries by having a ton of training sessions in between two games every week can you? 

 

That's the joys of playing in Europe. 

 

I judt hear excuses and you defending them. Same as always.

 

 

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, Dokko said:

I judt hear excuses and you defending them. Same as always.

 

I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not judging a manager after a handful of games because I'm not an idiot. 

[lovejoy]

Judging this manager so early is mental.

 

 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not making excuses at all. I'm not judging a manager after a handful of games because I'm not an idiot. 

However you did say Ten Haag was doing a good job, whilst I called him out after about 8 games (smug face). I will tell you my opinion of Amorim in around about 6 weeks.  And I will be right you know.