Manchester United

[Zero]

Arsenal picked the correct manager and gave him time and $.

 

Man Utd picked the wrong one.

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, Zero said:

Arsenal picked the correct manager and gave him time and $.

 

Man Utd picked the wrong one.

 

There were plenty of people on here and elsewhere laughing at Arteta in his earlier seasons. He was given no credit for the FA Cup win as he took over halfway through the season, and he finished 8th and 5th in his first two years. Now because they're competitve in his 4th and 5th season, people changed their tune. 

 

Ten Hag's first season we finished 3rd and won the league cup. Arteta took over halfway through the season and finished 8th and won the FA Cup. In Ten Hag's first season he won more, lost less, scored more and conceded less than Arteta. 14 points better off.

 

In Ten Hag's second season, we finished 8th and won the FA Cup. Arteta finished 5th and won nothing. Arsenal won 4 more games, and lost 1 less. We scored more goals, but conceded a lot more, due to the fact we had the most defensive injuries of any side ever in the league. Felt like Arsenal had everyone fit bar Jesus nearly the whole season.

 

Ten Hag has his team now. Dalot is a good enough full back where no Shaw is no excuse. He has the international break to get Ugarte up to speed, and him instead of Casemiro in the midfield will make a lot of difference.

 

Mark my words, we're winning our next 5 games. We'll beat Spurs without conceding 20 shots and 66% possession at home as well.

[Conjo]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Mark my words, we're winning our next 5 games. We'll beat Spurs without conceding 20 shots and 66% possession at home as well.

 

Quoted. Just in case

[NobbySolano]

10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Mark my words, we're winning our next 5 games. We'll beat Spurs without conceding 20 shots and 66% possession at home as well.

 

20 shots with a xGA of basically 0. The shot volume was by design, I'll take that any day. Possession was a problem but not unexpected when you look at our back four + Pope.

 

In any case, I am actually surprised that you are betting everything on ETH. There is nothing that I've seen to date that would suggest he will come good. But you are closer to it and you watch them closely and at the end it's your team, IDGAF. 

 

I doubt you win 5 on the bounce. You may beat Spurs because that defense is just shite. 

[Froggy]

10 minutes ago, NobbySolano said:

 

20 shots with a xGA of basically 0. The shot volume was by design, I'll take that any day. Possession was a problem but not unexpected when you look at our back four + Pope.

 

In any case, I am actually surprised that you are betting everything on ETH. There is nothing that I've seen to date that would suggest he will come good. But you are closer to it and you watch them closely and at the end it's your team, IDGAF. 

 

I doubt you win 5 on the bounce. You may beat Spurs because that defense is just shite. 

 

Southampton, Barsnley, Palace, Twente and Spurs.

 

Then the glory days are back baby. Erik ten Trophies incoming.

[Coffee_Johnny]

42 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

There were plenty of people on here and elsewhere laughing at Arteta in his earlier seasons. He was given no credit for the FA Cup win as he took over halfway through the season, and he finished 8th and 5th in his first two years. Now because they're competitve in his 4th and 5th season, people changed their tune. 

 

Ten Hag's first season we finished 3rd and won the league cup. Arteta took over halfway through the season and finished 8th and won the FA Cup. In Ten Hag's first season he won more, lost less, scored more and conceded less than Arteta. 14 points better off.

 

In Ten Hag's second season, we finished 8th and won the FA Cup. Arteta finished 5th and won nothing. Arsenal won 4 more games, and lost 1 less. We scored more goals, but conceded a lot more, due to the fact we had the most defensive injuries of any side ever in the league. Felt like Arsenal had everyone fit bar Jesus nearly the whole season.

 

Ten Hag has his team now. Dalot is a good enough full back where no Shaw is no excuse. He has the international break to get Ugarte up to speed, and him instead of Casemiro in the midfield will make a lot of difference.

 

Mark my words, we're winning our next 5 games. We'll beat Spurs without conceding 20 shots and 66% possession at home as well.

Do you think Arteta and Ten Hag picked up teams who were comparable at that point? Genuine question.  It is quite magnificent for ETH to win two major cup trophies in his first two seasons, all things taken into account, but he has also guided you to your lowest ever PL finish. Finishing position this season will be critical to his potential of having a 4th  yet alone 5th season. 

[Lish007]

19 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Southampton, Barsnley, Palace, Twente and Spurs.

 

Then the glory days are back baby. Erik ten Trophies incoming.

 

Love your confidence. I'll be way more interested in checking how man u are doing now you've made this bet! Good luck to you.

[Bimpy474]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

There were plenty of people on here and elsewhere laughing at Arteta in his earlier seasons. He was given no credit for the FA Cup win as he took over halfway through the season, and he finished 8th and 5th in his first two years. Now because they're competitve in his 4th and 5th season, people changed their tune. 

 

Ten Hag's first season we finished 3rd and won the league cup. Arteta took over halfway through the season and finished 8th and won the FA Cup. In Ten Hag's first season he won more, lost less, scored more and conceded less than Arteta. 14 points better off.

 

In Ten Hag's second season, we finished 8th and won the FA Cup. Arteta finished 5th and won nothing. Arsenal won 4 more games, and lost 1 less. We scored more goals, but conceded a lot more, due to the fact we had the most defensive injuries of any side ever in the league. Felt like Arsenal had everyone fit bar Jesus nearly the whole season.

 

Ten Hag has his team now. Dalot is a good enough full back where no Shaw is no excuse. He has the international break to get Ugarte up to speed, and him instead of Casemiro in the midfield will make a lot of difference.

 

Mark my words, we're winning our next 5 games. We'll beat Spurs without conceding 20 shots and 66% possession at home as well.

 

All very true to be fair.  I think the thing with Arteta is he's instantly dislikeable, he's made to the top of the managerial hated list with his antics on the line, and just his general and immense ability to be a raving cock. 

 

Ten Hag is actually OK, it's just the club he manages is an immense raving cock.  No idea where this fits in the conversation, but feck it.

 

 

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Do you think Arteta and Ten Hag picked up teams who were comparable at that point? Genuine question.  It is quite magnificent for ETH to win two major cup trophies in his first two seasons, all things taken into account, but he has also guided you to your lowest ever PL finish. Finishing position this season will be critical to his potential of having a 4th  yet alone 5th season. 

 

You don't? Arsenal finished 5th the year before Arteta took over with 70 points. We finished 6th the year before ETH took over with 58 points. 

 

Also, if Ten Hag doesn't get top four this season he's gone. I think he and everyone else at the club knows this.

 

5 minutes ago, Lish007 said:

Love your confidence. I'll be way more interested in checking how man u are doing now you've made this bet! Good luck to you.

 

Just trying to keep things fresh.

 

1 minute ago, Bimpy474 said:

Ten Hag is actually OK, it's just the club he manages is an immense raving cock.  No idea where this fits in the conversation, but feck it.

 

 Tell us how you really feel Bimps.

[Bimpy474]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

You don't? Arsenal finished 5th the year before Arteta took over with 70 points. We finished 6th the year before ETH took over with 58 points. 

 

Also, if Ten Hag doesn't get top four this season he's gone. I think he and everyone else at the club knows this.

 

 

Just trying to keep things fresh.

 

 

 Tell us how you really feel Bimps.

 

Always mate, it's why I like you, you do the same, with a hint more sarcasm than I  

[Coffee_Johnny]

13 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Arsenal finished 5th the year before Arteta took over with 70 points. We finished 6th the year before ETH took over with 58 points. 

 

Also, if Ten Hag doesn't get top four this season he's gone. I think he and everyone else at the club knows this

Fair enough, Arsenal finished 5th (Emery), 6th and 5th (Wenger’s last two seasons) in the three years before Arteta’s first season. 
Manchester United finished 6th (Rangnick), 2nd and 3rd (Solskjaer). Not as different as I imagined. 
Ten Hag’s 3rd and 8th looks worse than Mourinho’s 2nd and 6th and possibly comparable to van Gaal’s 5th and 4th before him. 
It’s funny but I still think of Manchester United as a top three side but checking the facts it feels a long time since Ferguson’s side finished no lower than 3rd in the 21 seasons since he first won the PL. No wonder you have a lot of disgruntled fans given how many probably started supporting a club who won the league 13 times in that period. 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Coffee_Johnny

[Abacus]

3 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Sub-editor of the Daily express Herbert Toutel does. Probably a nonce, that's why they didn't have kids. 

 

I feel the best cartoon bear isn't even being discussed in amongst all this other nonsense.

[Shearergol]

Why did he wear a tie?

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Because he was smarter than the average bear.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

On 21/08/2024 at 10:17, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You’d have thought paying people enough to want to be productive and enough to go the shops would help growth. 

 

7 minutes ago, Abacus said:

 

I feel the best cartoon bear isn't even being discussed in amongst all this other nonsense.

 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

6 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

 

Hes here, hes there, hes shagging Dani Behr, 

[SweMag]

Spot on this:

 

”The comprehensive 3-0 defeat Manchester United suffered against Liverpool highlighted deep-rooted tactical issues that have plagued Erik Ten Hag’s side. While individual errors played a role, the underlying problem was an incoherent structure that left United vulnerable and disjointed throughout the match.  Arne Slotpointed out how easy it was to cut throughUnited and score the 3 goals which says a lot of about both the Liverpool manager and his counterpart at Manchester United. Here are three key tactical blunders that contributed to United’s downfall.
 

One of the most glaring issues was the positioning of United’s full-backs. Both Diogo Dalot and Noussair Mazraoui were consistently caught high up the pitch, leaving vast spaces behind them. This was particularly evident in the lead-up to Liverpool’s first goal. As Casemiro received the ball deep in United’s half, both full-backs were already advancing forward, limiting his passing options. Casemiro’s ill-advised attempt to play out wide was intercepted, leading to a devastating Liverpool counterattack. The overcommitting of the full-backs left United’s defense exposed, and Liverpool took full advantage.

In an era where the likes of Pep Guardiola and Slot himself are redefining the full-back role by asking them to step in midfield to provide extra passing options, Ten Hag’s approach to his full backs seems from an era bygone.
 

The second goal epitomized United’s midfield struggles. Casemiro, once a stalwart in defensive midfield, found himself isolated and under constant pressure. When Mazraoui played a weak pass towards him, neither Kobbie Mainoo nor Bruno Fernandes were in a position to offer support. This left Casemiro with few options and resulted in him losing possession to Luis Díaz, who easily capitalized on the mistake. The lack of a coherent midfield structure meant that when United lost the ball, there was no cover, leaving the defense exposed time and again.
 

Another critical issue was United’s inability to press effectively as a unit. Ten Hag’s pressing strategy seemed disjointed, with the forwards and midfielders often pressing in isolation rather than as a cohesive group. This allowed Liverpool to easily bypass the press and exploit the gaps in United’s midfield. The disorganization in pressing not only failed to disrupt Liverpool’s buildup but also left United’s defense exposed to quick transitions. Liverpool’s third goal was a direct consequence of United’s ineffective pressing, as the team was unable to regain possession in dangerous areas and allowed Liverpool to dominate the tempo of the game.

Erik Ten Hag’s tactical approach against Liverpool exposed significant weaknesses in Manchester United’s setup. The overcommitting of full-backs, lack of midfield support, and ineffective pressing strategy were all key factors in the 3-0 defeat. A lot of blame can be attributed to Casemiro’s mistake but the system in which the Brazilian operates is the root cause. At Real Madrid, he had Toni Kroos and Luka Modric as his partners and his main responsibility was to protect the defense and recycle the possession. At United, he is expected to protect the defense and also carry out the ball and make progressive passes without adequate support from his teammates. This is something, Manuel Ugarte will also struggle with.”

[simonsays]

24 minutes ago, SweMag said:

Spot on this:

 

”The comprehensive 3-0 defeat Manchester United suffered against Liverpool highlighted deep-rooted tactical issues that have plagued Erik Ten Hag’s side. While individual errors played a role, the underlying problem was an incoherent structure that left United vulnerable and disjointed throughout the match.  Arne Slotpointed out how easy it was to cut throughUnited and score the 3 goals which says a lot of about both the Liverpool manager and his counterpart at Manchester United. Here are three key tactical blunders that contributed to United’s downfall.
 

One of the most glaring issues was the positioning of United’s full-backs. Both Diogo Dalot and Noussair Mazraoui were consistently caught high up the pitch, leaving vast spaces behind them. This was particularly evident in the lead-up to Liverpool’s first goal. As Casemiro received the ball deep in United’s half, both full-backs were already advancing forward, limiting his passing options. Casemiro’s ill-advised attempt to play out wide was intercepted, leading to a devastating Liverpool counterattack. The overcommitting of the full-backs left United’s defense exposed, and Liverpool took full advantage.

In an era where the likes of Pep Guardiola and Slot himself are redefining the full-back role by asking them to step in midfield to provide extra passing options, Ten Hag’s approach to his full backs seems from an era bygone.
 

The second goal epitomized United’s midfield struggles. Casemiro, once a stalwart in defensive midfield, found himself isolated and under constant pressure. When Mazraoui played a weak pass towards him, neither Kobbie Mainoo nor Bruno Fernandes were in a position to offer support. This left Casemiro with few options and resulted in him losing possession to Luis Díaz, who easily capitalized on the mistake. The lack of a coherent midfield structure meant that when United lost the ball, there was no cover, leaving the defense exposed time and again.
 

Another critical issue was United’s inability to press effectively as a unit. Ten Hag’s pressing strategy seemed disjointed, with the forwards and midfielders often pressing in isolation rather than as a cohesive group. This allowed Liverpool to easily bypass the press and exploit the gaps in United’s midfield. The disorganization in pressing not only failed to disrupt Liverpool’s buildup but also left United’s defense exposed to quick transitions. Liverpool’s third goal was a direct consequence of United’s ineffective pressing, as the team was unable to regain possession in dangerous areas and allowed Liverpool to dominate the tempo of the game.

Erik Ten Hag’s tactical approach against Liverpool exposed significant weaknesses in Manchester United’s setup. The overcommitting of full-backs, lack of midfield support, and ineffective pressing strategy were all key factors in the 3-0 defeat. A lot of blame can be attributed to Casemiro’s mistake but the system in which the Brazilian operates is the root cause. At Real Madrid, he had Toni Kroos and Luka Modric as his partners and his main responsibility was to protect the defense and recycle the possession. At United, he is expected to protect the defense and also carry out the ball and make progressive passes without adequate support from his teammates. This is something, Manuel Ugarte will also struggle with.”

Perversely it's the sort of game ETH would have used WanBissaka in previously - he was limited but good defensively.  It seemed odd to me that they wanted him gone

[JUICE690]

2 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

No wonder you have a lot of disgruntled fans given how many probably started supporting a club who won the league 13 times in that period. 

 

 

 

"So, what first attracted you to multi-trophy-winning, Manchester United?"

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by JUICE690

[Unlucky Luque]

I’m over the moon that we’re actually getting tactical analysis ripping apart Ten Hag’s approach instead of xG twitter bro-analytics and «third-most X in Y since 2007»-type stat nonsense, so hats off to Man Utd for enabling the shift in narrative 👍👍

 

 

Edited September 3, 2024 by Unlucky Luque

[Froggy]

1 hour ago, simonsays said:

Perversely it's the sort of game ETH would have used WanBissaka in previously - he was limited but good defensively.  It seemed odd to me that they wanted him gone

 

Because Ten Hag wants versatile, attacking full backs. AWB wasn't versatile and he couldn't attack. 

 

Still really liked him mind.

[Rod]

6 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Was it easy for them? They didn't have a shot until Casemiro gifted them a goal. Maybe a bit easier for them once we're chasing the game.

You were beaten 3-0 at home.  Was it easy for them?  ffs.

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, Rod said:

You were beaten 3-0 at home.  Was it easy for them?  ffs.

 

If I gave you my car keys Rod, would it be easy for you to take my car?

[KaKa]

8 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

Once again posting to remind everyone that spending x on a relegation threatened team that hasn't been invested in for the best part of 14 years isn't remotely the same as spending x on an already European/Title chasing team that had over a billion net spent on it in the same time period.

 

 

 

 

The shamelessness of the man is astonishing.

 

What a disgrace.

[Abacus]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The shamelessness of the man is astonishing.

 

What a disgrace.

 

Ace posts thread here we come.