sempuki Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 They better f***ing win tonight, basically Not many times I want them to win but tonight is an exception. No excuse not to either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Man City are winning the cup whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Man City are winning the cup whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Man City are winning the cup whatever. Don't trust them in the final either, after last year's debacle. Can't afford for Sunderland to make that final, as weird crap starts happening. Can't rely on Moyes tonight though, the dufus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 A Manchester derby final would be more interesting anyway I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 They will turn it around, they still have an incredible pull around the world so attracting quality won't be a problem. Holding onto it will be. Wonder how long that pull will last, especially if they don't qualify for the CL. Assume most players outside the UK have never heard of David Moyes. The manager thing is over-rated. Who was Chelsea manager when Hazard had his choice of clubs? HBA came to play for Hughton. Cabaye for Pardew. I don't think Suarez cared who was L'pool manager at the time. Man Utd. rarely buy the finished article unless it's from a smaller British club. They can still attract the next Vidic, Evra, Cabaye, Suarez etc. type players. Even the likes of Atletico Aguero if nobody else comes up with the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Players move for money above all else & pretty much always have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Man City are winning the cup whatever. Sunderland not playing at Wembley in a final >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunderland playing at Wembley in a final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Players move for money above all else & pretty much always have. yep. All this 'would players want to come and play for Moyes?' is just a veiled insult to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Sunderland not playing at Wembley in a final > X ∞ Sunderland playing at Wembley in a final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Yep. I don't even want them to have the excitement of a cup final. Couldn't bear it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Players move for money above all else & pretty much always have. yep. All this 'would players want to come and play for Moyes?' is just a veiled insult to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The manager thing tends to come into play if there is competition for the players, with two clubs offering similar financial incentives. Also, one of the problems Man U has is that they don't currently have a bunch of other players that many would want to play with really. It's just Rooney and Van Persie really, and Rooney's contract is running down and he's refusing to sign. Not a good situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I wouldn't feel so bad about Sunderland in the league cup if we ever looked like bothering with a domestic competition under Pardew. It's my main problem with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The manager thing tends to come into play if there is competition for the players, with two clubs offering similar financial incentives. Also, one of the problems Man U has is that they don't currently have a bunch of other players that many would want to play with really. It's just Rooney and Van Persie really, and Rooney's contract is running down and he's refusing to sign. Not a good situation. I think my eyes would bleed if someone asked me to play next to Tom Cleverly - even in a kickabout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I wouldn't feel so bad about Sunderland in the league cup if we ever looked like bothering with a domestic competition under Pardew. It's my main problem with him. Especially tis season, when we are under no threat of relegation, and are kind of entrenched in our current position. Really should have gone for it this year, if ever. Ridiculous guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The manager thing tends to come into play if there is competition for the players, with two clubs offering similar financial incentives. The player chooses whoever is willing to pay most. You had Kewell choosing L'pool over a prime Arsenal for an extra 10k. It's not the Manchester United way to fight for the complete player anyway (unless from a British club). Perfectly capable of signing an Ajax Suarez, a Yohan Cabaye, Spurs Modric. Who did Cabaye want to come and play with? It comes down to money and negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The manager thing tends to come into play if there is competition for the players, with two clubs offering similar financial incentives. The player chooses whoever is willing to pay most. You had Kewell choosing L'pool over a prime Arsenal for an extra 10k. It's not the Manchester United way to fight for the complete player anyway (unless from a British club). Perfectly capable of signing an Ajax Suarez, a Yohan Cabaye, Spurs Modric. Who did Cabaye want to come and play with? It comes down to money and negotiations. I see what you're saying, but I think these things do play a role for some players for sure. Cabaye was so underrated when we signed him it was untrue! Besides, I think he was all set to join Villa ahead of us because of Houllier, but then Houllier got ill and left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 For the manager thing, I more meant that they didn't have a famous manager to make up for the fact they weren't as successful any more. I agree money will be very important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I do think nationality helps. Wenger with the French lads, Mou with the Portuguese and Brazilian (nobody mentioned Chelsea's midfield consisted of 4 Brazilians), Benitez Spanish etc. But in general the manager isn't a big deal. You sign for the club and money. Pretty certain Hazard signed under RDM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 i think the manager thing comes into play at the top level (particularly with younger players) in terms of the managers track record of improving players, making good players great players, this type of thing that'll be where moyes has no pull in the realms of guardiola, klopp, mourinho, ancelloti et al - they'll have to use finance to beat that until such time as moyes has such a track record, which could be either a very long time, or never Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think it's definitely a big deal to have a well thought of manager when you get to world class players. Players jump to play for Mourinho and Guardiola, they know they're the best bets for going down in the history books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Behave - players go to Chelsea because of the money. Players go to Real Madrid for the club. Klopp and Wenger are some of the highest rated managers in Europe, they lose their star assets every single year because of money. Half an Arsenal side went to Man City to play for Mark Hughes ffs. Look at the players that have made up the core of Man Utd's success in recent years. Put in similar positions, who couldn't they sign now? Maybe RVP? To a lesser extent Ferdinand perhaps? VDS, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Hargreaves, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney they could all sign. Players jump to play for Guardiola/Mourinho because the richest 2 clubs in the top 3 divisions in Europe. Let Mourinho manage Dortmund and the players would still leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Behave - players go to Chelsea because of the money. Players go to Real Madrid for the club. Klopp and Wenger are some of the highest rated managers in Europe, they lose their star assets every single year because of money. Half an Arsenal side went to Man City to play for Mark Hughes ffs. Look at the players that have made up the core of Man Utd's success in recent years. Put in similar positions, who couldn't they sign now? Maybe RVP? To a lesser extent Ferdinand perhaps? VDS, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Hargreaves, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney they could all sign. Players jump to play for Guardiola/Mourinho because the richest 2 clubs in the top 3 divisions in Europe. Let Mourinho manage Dortmund and the players would still leave. Half an Arsenal team went to play for Mark Hughes' Manchester City? Try Adebayor and Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Okay - both key players at the time. Did Clichy sign under Mancini? Mancini's a good manager but he's not in Wengers league. But then again you're clearly just nit-picking. You haven't spoken about Wenger/Klopp losing their best players and not attracting world Xmas talents (Ozil aside). Or what built the core of Man Utd's latest successful side. Because you know I'm right, you just want to pick small issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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