Manchester United

[Rich]

35 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Aye at this moment in time I don't think Ratcliffe has done a great deal wrong. All the financial nonsense is a consequence of The Glazers. 

 

[mighty__mag]

That's a real look of disgrace. 

 

Amorim would be in the bin by now if SAF had any control. 

[gbandit]

From the outside looking in, Ratcliffe looks a complete disaster on numerous levels. 
 

1) He has very little track record for delivering success in underperforming football sides. In wider sport he’s had a lot of failures too in far less complex environments. His successes came in Cycling where there wasn’t a lot of financial competition at the time and to a degree in sailing which is incredibly niche. 

 

2) His PR approach is absolutely abysmal. He constantly alienates as many people as possible with almost every interview

 

3) He appears to be able to apply blunt instrument approaches, e.g. firing people and cost cutting but he’s made some far more important disastrous financial decisions that will have cost them more than his cost cutting: Dan Ashworth, keeping Ten Hag on after basically touting his job for months. Going for Amorim might have been a good decision for a different club but I think it’ll prove to be a terrible decision for Ratcliffe as I don’t think he’ll back him enough this window. As Froggy says, his share price has dropped from in $30s to $13, that’s not going to entice a businessman who doesn’t like financial risk to open his pockets further

 

4) He seems really thin skinned. If the fans turn on him to the degree they have the Glazers he’ll be desperate to sell up but he’ll be caught in a situation where he’ll only be able to sell at a loss

 

 

[GeordieDazzler]

8 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

That's a real look of disgrace. 

 

Amorim would be in the bin by now if SAF had any control. 

The Glazers are his fault 

[mighty__mag]

4 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

The Glazers are his fault 

 

Not entirely, they still spent nearly 900m on that shite they put out the other night.

[GeordieDazzler]

2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Not entirely, they still spent nearly 900m on that shite they put out the other night.

He fell out with the major shareholders over a race horse stud rights and they sold their stake which created the conditions for the takeover. Regardless of what money has went down the drain, them even being there is in a large part down to him. 

[mighty__mag]

41 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

He fell out with the major shareholders over a race horse stud rights and they sold their stake which created the conditions for the takeover. Regardless of what money has went down the drain, them even being there is in a large part down to him. 

 

I am aware of this, their takeover of Man Utd was not directly caused by Sir Alex Ferguson, a series of events, including a feud over a racehorse, indirectly led to the Glazers acquiring a majority stake in the club.

 

How his look of disapoint led to us going into the Glazers, im lost.  

 

Or was it what I said on Amorim?

 

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

From the outside looking in, Ratcliffe looks a complete disaster on numerous levels. 
 

1) He has very little track record for delivering success in underperforming football sides. In wider sport he’s had a lot of failures too in far less complex environments. His successes came in Cycling where there wasn’t a lot of financial competition at the time and to a degree in sailing which is incredibly niche. 

 

2) His PR approach is absolutely abysmal. He constantly alienates as many people as possible with almost every interview

 

3) He appears to be able to apply blunt instrument approaches, e.g. firing people and cost cutting but he’s made some far more important disastrous financial decisions that will have cost them more than his cost cutting: Dan Ashworth, keeping Ten Hag on after basically touting his job for months. Going for Amorim might have been a good decision for a different club but I think it’ll prove to be a terrible decision for Ratcliffe as I don’t think he’ll back him enough this window. As Froggy says, his share price has dropped from in $30s to $13, that’s not going to entice a businessman who doesn’t like financial risk to open his pockets further

 

4) He seems really thin skinned. If the fans turn on him to the degree they have the Glazers he’ll be desperate to sell up but he’ll be caught in a situation where he’ll only be able to sell at a loss

 

 

 

 

Just to correct you on the cycling team point, he hasn't had success in cycling and has actually destroyed the incredible team that he bought

 

He took over Team Sky, who were the dominant force in Grand Tours (e.g. they won 7 x Tour De France in 8 Years) and stage racing and he's turned them into a team that's a shadow of its former self

They've plummeted down the rankings and last season their number of race victories was at an all time low 

 

Also they've created a toxic atmosphere that has led to well respected key riders choosing to leave as well as a revolving door of off-bike leadership

 

Sound familiar ?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Dokko]

Manchester United’s total debt, including around £300M owing on transfers, is now in excess of £1BN.

Although the club is set to generate up to £160M this year from day-to-day activities, it means there will still be a 6th consecutive year of losses = £450M. (MailSport)

[Bimpy474]

20 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Manchester United’s total debt, including around £300M owing on transfers, is now in excess of £1BN.

Although the club is set to generate up to £160M this year from day-to-day activities, it means there will still be a 6th consecutive year of losses = £450M. (MailSport)

 

And we're selling young players despite having no debt

[Dokko]

'Losing a final to Tottenham is like being friend zoned by a prostitute' - Best line I've heard so far. 

[The Fountain]

On 22/05/2025 at 08:53, Froggy said:

 

Trippier, Burn, Wood and Bruno G etc. joined two months after Howe did. In that time he had won 2 games (against 17th place Leeds and relegated Burnley), drawn 4 and lost 4, while going out of the FA Cup at home to Cambridge. 

 

Come on Bobby.  They came because they knew Saudi money was going to be pumped into the club and success was inevitable. 

Success is never inevitable.

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, The Fountain said:

Success is never inevitable.

 

When you're backed by Saudi Arabia I personally think it is. There can be set backs but with that wealth you'll always get it right eventually.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

'Losing a final to Tottenham is like being friend zoned by a prostitute' - Best line I've heard so far. 

This kind of makes me laugh, it’s like they forgot they got into that competition by winning a final everyone thought they had no hope in.

[The Fountain]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

When you're backed by Saudi Arabia I personally think it is. There can be set backs but with that wealth you'll always get it right eventually.

Your managers have been backed a lot more than Howe. 

[JonBez comesock]

11 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

When you're backed by Saudi Arabia I personally think it is. There can be set backs but with that wealth you'll always get it right eventually.

Saudi sponsors over the past 10 years have put more money into Man United than they have with us 

 

We can only spend what we generate 😎

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by JonBez comesock

[Ben]

McTominay

 

[Froggy]

30 minutes ago, The Fountain said:

Your managers have been backed a lot more than Howe. 

 

Howe has been given half a billion. And your revenue is half of what ours is.

 

If your club was the same stature as mine, your spend would blow ours out of the water and you know it. 

[Froggy]

30 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said:

Saudi sponsors over the past 10 years have put more money into Man United than they have with us 

 

We can only spend what we generate 😎

 

That's just not true.

[KaKa]

11 minutes ago, Ben said:

McTominay

 

 

Putting money on Antony scoring the winner against Chelsea next week 

 

The Ls just keep piling up for Man United.

[Dokko]

Always said McTimmy was Manure's best player. Can't believe they sold him for next to nowt.

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

Always said McTimmy was Manure's best player. Can't believe they sold him for next to nowt.

 

He must be glad to be at a club where fans value his worth after those in the Stretford End spat at him. 

[Turnbull2000]

16 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Howe has been given half a billion. And your revenue is half of what ours is.

 

If your club was the same stature as mine, your spend would blow ours out of the water and you know it. 

 

Where do you get this half a billion from?

 

https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city

 

Newcastle five-year net spend: £-350.18m

24/25: £17.73m
23/24: £-85.79m (7th)
22/23: £-141.69m (4th)
21/22: £-108.17m (11th)
20/21: £-31.47m (12th)

 

The years in bold are under Howe, who inherited a dire quality squad destined for relegation.

 

edit: Should also add the above net spend is also inflated due to us having pretty much zero saleable player assets in the squad Howe took over.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Turnbull2000

[KaKa]

Antony's actually scored again tonight for Betis.

 

Lukaku has just done as well for Napoli.

 

That's another almost £200 million worth of transfer fees for Man United that are shining elsewhere.

[SteV]

19 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

Where do you get this half a billion from?

 

https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city

 

Newcastle five-year net spend: £-350.18m

24/25: £17.73m
23/24: £-85.79m (7th)
22/23: £-141.69m (4th)
21/22: £-108.17m (11th)
20/21: £-31.47m (12th)

 

The years in bold are under Howe, who inherited a dire quality squad destined for relegation.

 

edit: Should also add the above net spend is also inflated due to us having pretty much zero saleable player assets in the squad Howe took over.

 

 

 

Any idea where that total net spend places us over the five years, rather than just each individual year?