Optimistic Nut Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Nah, I prefer excitement. Tiki taka is easy on the eye but doesn't get you on your feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Yeah, but it's the control and the suspense. Is Hitchcock better than Michael Bay? Obviously he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Direct is better to watch but takes a bigger degree to skill to play there tiki taka is more impressive IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Ferguson's Man United were incredibly direct when they needed to be, particularly on the break. Course, he had the bottle (unlike Pardew) to get numbers forward in support quickly instead of pumping it to an isolated front man and telling the midfield to sit. Also, he directed Schmeichel to throw the ball with precision out wide to fast wide players rather than boot the ball down the pitch in the general direction of a 6ft centre forward with no one within 20 yds in support. There was nothing hit and hope about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brazil 70 and Holland 74 were both direct and at times, short pass control of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Brazil 70 and Holland 74 were both direct and at times, short pass control of the ball. Sounds like Charles Hughes justification for hoofball back in the 90's except without the short pass control. Over to you Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Direct is better to watch but takes a bigger degree to skill to play there tiki taka is more impressive IMO. Alreet neesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Meh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Direct, fast paced football > tiki-taka Every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I really respect TRon's ability to make stuff up, even with only two days to come up with it. We played direct stuff at times with Shearer and Bellamy. According to you that's an incorrect way of playing football even though the option made us unpredictable and ultimately helped us get consecutive top 4 finishes. Preposterous way of looking at football, correct and incorrect. Except you took what I said and turned it into something totally different. There's a massive difference between hitting the ball long like we do now towards a single forward with no support and what we did under Robson where the long ball was only a part of a potent attacking arsenal. It's like comparing Moyes to Alex Ferguson. Missing out a whole lot of the bigger dynamic and focusing on one part so you can say you were correct. Hang on, now you're bringing us in 2014 into it? How many times do you want to move the goalposts, man? You're ridiculous. I'd have more respect for you if you just said you prefer the ball being kept on the deck instead of writing off a style as being incorrect then squirming like a double-hooked worm when presented with ample evidence of it existing as a viable, effective attacking strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I really respect TRon's ability to make stuff up, even with only two days to come up with it. We played direct stuff at times with Shearer and Bellamy. According to you that's an incorrect way of playing football even though the option made us unpredictable and ultimately helped us get consecutive top 4 finishes. Preposterous way of looking at football, correct and incorrect. Except you took what I said and turned it into something totally different. There's a massive difference between hitting the ball long like we do now towards a single forward with no support and what we did under Robson where the long ball was only a part of a potent attacking arsenal. It's like comparing Moyes to Alex Ferguson. Missing out a whole lot of the bigger dynamic and focusing on one part so you can say you were correct. Hang on, now you're bringing us in 2014 into it? How many times do you want to move the goalposts, man? You're ridiculous. I'd have more respect for you if you just said you prefer the ball being kept on the deck instead of writing off a style as being incorrect then squirming like a double-hooked worn when presented with ample evidence of it existing as a viable, effective attacking strategy. You are the Moyes fan who predicted a top 4 finish for Man U in this thread so let's just see how it pans out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Direct, fast paced football > tiki-taka Winning > not winning I don't really care how we accomplish the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Brazil 70 and Holland 74 were both direct and at times, short pass control of the ball. Sounds like Charles Hughes justification for hoofball back in the 90's except without the short pass control. Over to you Ronaldo. Charles Hughes set back the game as an entertainment years as you rightly say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Brazil 70 and Holland 74 were both direct and at times, short pass control of the ball. Sounds like Charles Hughes justification for hoofball back in the 90's except without the short pass control. Over to you Ronaldo. Charles Hughes set back the game as an entertainment years as you rightly say. And to think the FA employed him as the head honcho of coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 No point arguing over style of play as Fergie's teams weren't exactly Brazil 70 either. Thing is though under Fergie they attacked with numbers, with pace and purpose. Not to mention Fergie breed confidence and positivity into that team. Under Moyes they are negative and don't get anywhere near the same numbers forward while at the same time not really getting the ball forward quickly enough. Conclusion? Negativity is bad and Positivity is king. As we know too well with our very own Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 No point arguing over style of play as Fergie's teams weren't exactly Brazil 70 either. Thing is though under Fergie they attacked with numbers, with pace and purpose. Not to mention Fergie breed confidence and positivity into that team. Under Moyes they are negative and don't get anywhere near the same numbers forward while at the same time not really getting the ball forward quickly enough. Conclusion? Negativity is bad and Positivity is king. As we know too well with our very own Pardew. It's like comparing Brazil 70 to Brazil 74. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1739462/manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-paris-scout-antoine-griezmann-paul-pogba It'd be hilarious to watch them dish out the big money it'd take to get Pogba back. But at least they'd be willing to spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1739462/manchester-united-boss-david-moyes-paris-scout-antoine-griezmann-paul-pogba It'd be hilarious to watch them dish out the big money it'd take to get Pogba back. But at least they'd be willing to spend. Can't see Pogba joining a team that won't have Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I just think any player who has another top club option would be taking a big risk joining Man Utd right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I just think any player who has another top club option would be taking a big risk joining Man Utd right now. It'd take several years of them being out of the CL to have an effect on their ability to attract the best players IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shayno Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I just think any player who has another top club option would be taking a big risk joining Man Utd right now. It'd take several years of them being out of the CL to have an effect on their ability to attract the best players IMO. Agree to an extent (in terms of top players from mid-tier clubs wanted by big clubs), but to leave a club like Juventus for Man United right now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I just think any player who has another top club option would be taking a big risk joining Man Utd right now. It'd take several years of them being out of the CL to have an effect on their ability to attract the best players IMO. Agree to an extent (in terms of top players from mid-tier clubs wanted by big clubs), but to leave a club like Juventus for Man United right now? Better league and the possibility of a bigger pay cheque? CL would be the only question mark. Juventus's style of play is pretty much a perfect fit though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Not just about Man U trying to get away from Juventus who historically are not exactly any worse than Man U are, but unlike with Mata the elite of European football will also be trying their hardest to get him too. Can't see it happening at all, as for Griezmann i'm shocked it's taken them this long to be linked with him with dross like Ashley Young playing regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I just think any player who has another top club option would be taking a big risk joining Man Utd right now. It'd take several years of them being out of the CL to have an effect on their ability to attract the best players IMO. true but if its a straight choice between for example Real Madrid or Man Utd then they ain't going to win those kind of transfer battles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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