Pav Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know this is a fairly pointless post, but I've never understood the need to bring back standing. Football grounds aren't quiet because of standing, it's because working class people and kids can't afford to go. I would much rather have a seat. Well, I presume they'll make it cheaper to stand thus allowing more working class people to go Edit: Wait, is there no drop in ticket prices then? Nope. One standing space per seat space. That's wrong actually: Standing to seating ratios The Green Guide also compares the amount of space required for seated and standing spectators respectively. As a guide for the lower leagues where standing areas are permitted, it specifies a ratio of 18 standing fans for every 10 spectators in seats. At many grounds in Germany the ratio is similar (2:1 at TSG 1899 Hoffenheim and VfB Stuttgart, for instance). Working on the basis even of the current Green Guide ratio, stadium capacities could thus be increased as shown below by installing rail seats for standing spectators in areas currently used for seating. http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302302034811/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2/40seatedfans.gif http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302302068382/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2/72standingfans.gif As you can see in this pic, with seats folded up there's actually 2 rows to fit people, rather than 1: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302131739373/the-proposal/Hoffenheim1.jpg Whole thing is explained well here: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know this is a fairly pointless post, but I've never understood the need to bring back standing. Football grounds aren't quiet because of standing, it's because working class people and kids can't afford to go. I would much rather have a seat. Well, I presume they'll make it cheaper to stand thus allowing more working class people to go Edit: Wait, is there no drop in ticket prices then? Nope. One standing space per seat space. That's wrong actually: Standing to seating ratios The Green Guide also compares the amount of space required for seated and standing spectators respectively. As a guide for the lower leagues where standing areas are permitted, it specifies a ratio of 18 standing fans for every 10 spectators in seats. At many grounds in Germany the ratio is similar (2:1 at TSG 1899 Hoffenheim and VfB Stuttgart, for instance). Working on the basis even of the current Green Guide ratio, stadium capacities could thus be increased as shown below by installing rail seats for standing spectators in areas currently used for seating. http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302302034811/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2/40seatedfans.gif http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302302068382/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2/72standingfans.gif As you can see in this pic, with seats folded up there's actually 2 rows to fit people, rather than 1: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/_/rsrc/1302131739373/the-proposal/Hoffenheim1.jpg Whole thing is explained well here: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal That's not what Celtic are installing was the point I was making. At least not according to their representative on SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Ah right, fair enough. That said their website says they're implementing rail seating, which is what is explained above. I guess Celtics trial isn't going for that (may be due to ground design or whatever). The council took a lot of convincing to give them the go ahead actually, so it sounds reasonable that they decided not to up the capacity. In general a key point is to fit more people in, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Ah right, fair enough. That said their website says they're implementing rail seating, which is what is explained above. I guess Celtics trial isn't going for that (may be due to ground design or whatever). The council took a lot of convincing to give them the go ahead actually, so it sounds reasonable that they decided not to up the capacity. In general a key point is to fit more people in, mind. Celtics are going to be used for seating during CL/EL games. Only domestic ones will use the standing so cant increase numbers using it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 From my own point of view, in Ireland we have GAA games that have big standing terraces behind the goals and there is always a way better atmosphere in the terraces than in the stand Yup, I always going for a terrace ticket if I can and the atmosphere is always better. The tickets are cheaper as well which I imagine is a factor. First choice at GAA match is always to stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38411627 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Didn't expect Man U to be the team leading the way. Fair play. Wouldn't be surprised if the prawn sandwich brigade weren't interested like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Orlando City's supporter section will all be a safe standing area. MLS, but still rad to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Immensely satisfying to watch. Fuck it would be so good in the Gallowgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Immensely satisfying to watch. f*** it would be so good in the Gallowgate. Love that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Really hope this comes in and like minded fans are allowed to generate an atmosphere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 That rail seating looks great to me. Another advantage of fitting more people in the same space by letting them stand is that more fans can be closer to the pitch and you don't have to build as massive a stadium. While SJP being so central in the city is definitely something to be proud of, the stadium can dominate the skyline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I think the SS is/will be in huge demand. Every club will have thousands who want to stand to watch/sing during the match. It's such a basic right, afterall. The Strawberry Corner/Gallowgate would be fucking unbelievable to have that. Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Was great being on a (very small) terrace at Burton last week when we scored. Hopefully only a matter of time before safe standing starts to become a reality in England but still quite a few administrative hoops to go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 See how it goes in strawberry corner then move it through to the Gallowgate if it goes down well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Was great being on a (very small) terrace at Burton last week when we scored. Hopefully only a matter of time before safe standing starts to become a reality in England but still quite a few administrative hoops to go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I had some wonderful times as a young guy when nearly ALL SJP was standing - as long as the areas are constructed properly and well stewarded, there is a lot more involvement in the game and you feel more a part of it. There is great excitement when a goal is scored as people jump around more and celebrate more enthusiastically. It CAN be dangerous...witness the Ibrox disaster in the early 70s but I was in SJP for the Fairs Cup final v Ujpest Dosza in May 69(Gallowgate End)and we must have moved six terraces down as the crowd swayed after the first goal by Moncur.Nevertheless, when you are young those things do not bother you and with 60,000 in the ground it was a great experience that will live with me forever. I would back a return to properly-organized standing in certain areas of the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 So presumably they're going to allow a trial of rail seats at an English club in one of the top two tiers next season? Something that's currently banned I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think they'd need government legislation change for that? They could trial the rail seats in league one or two though where standing is currently allowed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think they'd need government legislation change for that? They could trial the rail seats in league one or two though where standing is currently allowed But allowing standing at a level where you can already stand could hardly be described as unprecedented. It's got to be something more than that, hence the reference to laws that have been around for many years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Apropos of nothing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Perhaps the DUP nonces have demanded it. Hopefully good news like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think they'd need government legislation change for that? They could trial the rail seats in league one or two though where standing is currently allowed But allowing standing at a level where you can already stand could hardly be described as unprecedented. It's got to be something more than that, hence the reference to laws that have been around for many years. It can be by secondary legislation by Order, so quite straightforward should the relative minister be willing to do so (i.e. the minister can do it and does not need to go to Parliament to do so). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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