KaKa Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Cattermole can't be trusted to control himself, otherwise he's worthy of a call up for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This is what happens when you leave the mackems. This is true. Bent was averaging about 1 in 2 for us and barely got a look in til he moved to Villa. Based on form alone Cattermole is ahead of Colback at the minute. Cattermole? Surely if you are going to nominate a Sunderland player it would be Rodwell? 2 games I've seen us play this season, Cattermole has been better than Rodwell. I'd rather players got picked on merit. At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Merit is 2 games? Ok then. Seems as though that's what Colbacks call up is based on... If we go off the back end of last season. Rodwell wasn't playing but Cattermole was miles ahead of Colback. Ahead of him for tackling maybe. As a footballer Colback's far superior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I thought he was a decent player at Sunderland and he's surprised me of how much he has to his game but he's a million miles away from international standard. Or rather, he should be miles away from international standard and we should have far better players at our disposal. I don't think I'm being pedantic in asking, what is international standard? Our current international standard is getting outplayed by any good team and struggling to beat any other team bar minnows. This is the thing. Particularly in midfield, England have been really poor. The Lampard and Gerrard thing was just tragic. All those years and no one figured out how to make it work. I don't know really, the current options are threadbare ... Milner should definitely be in midfield for England at this point. Looked so good there at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This is what happens when you leave the mackems. This is true. Bent was averaging about 1 in 2 for us and barely got a look in til he moved to Villa. Based on form alone Cattermole is ahead of Colback at the minute. Cattermole? Surely if you are going to nominate a Sunderland player it would be Rodwell? 2 games I've seen us play this season, Cattermole has been better than Rodwell. I'd rather players got picked on merit. At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Merit is 2 games? Ok then. Seems as though that's what Colbacks call up is based on... If we go off the back end of last season. Rodwell wasn't playing but Cattermole was miles ahead of Colback. Ahead of him for tackling maybe. As a footballer Colback's far superior. I would disagree. I'd say Cattermole's footballing ability is underrated particularly as the disciplinary stuff cloud's people's judgements. He's always going to be viewed as a 'clogger'. He's a much better footballer than he's given credit for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Mackems are not taking it well at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This is what happens when you leave the mackems. This is true. Bent was averaging about 1 in 2 for us and barely got a look in til he moved to Villa. Based on form alone Cattermole is ahead of Colback at the minute. Cattermole? Surely if you are going to nominate a Sunderland player it would be Rodwell? 2 games I've seen us play this season, Cattermole has been better than Rodwell. I'd rather players got picked on merit. At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Merit is 2 games? Ok then. Seems as though that's what Colbacks call up is based on... If we go off the back end of last season. Rodwell wasn't playing but Cattermole was miles ahead of Colback. Ahead of him for tackling maybe. As a footballer Colback's far superior. I would disagree. I'd say Cattermole's footballing ability is underrated particularly as the disciplinary stuff cloud's people's judgements. He's always going to be viewed as a 'clogger'. He's a much better footballer than he's given credit for. Perhaps his footballing ability is underrated, but can he really use the ball as well as Colback? I don't think so and neither does Hodgson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 A lot of mackems i know were calling Cattermole worse than shit last season, he made a lot of fuck ups which cost them goals and points. He has played well recently though they admitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Whenever I watched them last season, Colback was always far superior to Cattermole Cattermole would mostly be shite apart from when he played us and Pardew did his usual arse dropping tactics and Cattermole was given acres of space and played well as a result Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm sure on RTG they were slaughtering cattermole last season. Anyone with an account should dig up old posts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Well it's fair to say he's moved on to bigger and better things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 TBF to Catts at least he has effected a game this season so you can see the twisted logic of the mentalists assuming they've forgotten the last 5/6 seasons. In truth, they're both passable midfielders at middling PL level, who shouldn't be anywhere near an international squad for a country that has a league and heritage such as England's and it is very much a sorry representation of where our national game and national team are at currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This is what happens when you leave the mackems. This is true. Bent was averaging about 1 in 2 for us and barely got a look in til he moved to Villa. Based on form alone Cattermole is ahead of Colback at the minute. Cattermole? Surely if you are going to nominate a Sunderland player it would be Rodwell? 2 games I've seen us play this season, Cattermole has been better than Rodwell. I'd rather players got picked on merit. At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Merit is 2 games? Ok then. Seems as though that's what Colbacks call up is based on... If we go off the back end of last season. Rodwell wasn't playing but Cattermole was miles ahead of Colback. Ahead of him for tackling maybe. As a footballer Colback's far superior. I would disagree. I'd say Cattermole's footballing ability is underrated particularly as the disciplinary stuff cloud's people's judgements. He's always going to be viewed as a 'clogger'. He's a much better footballer than he's given credit for. He's liable to do something stupid at any moment though, especially in a big game. That's reason enough to not pick him. "Ginger Pirlo" though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 This is what happens when you leave the mackems. This is true. Bent was averaging about 1 in 2 for us and barely got a look in til he moved to Villa. Based on form alone Cattermole is ahead of Colback at the minute. Cattermole? Surely if you are going to nominate a Sunderland player it would be Rodwell? 2 games I've seen us play this season, Cattermole has been better than Rodwell. I'd rather players got picked on merit. At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Merit is 2 games? Ok then. Seems as though that's what Colbacks call up is based on... If we go off the back end of last season. Rodwell wasn't playing but Cattermole was miles ahead of Colback. Ahead of him for tackling maybe. As a footballer Colback's far superior. I would disagree. I'd say Cattermole's footballing ability is underrated particularly as the disciplinary stuff cloud's people's judgements. He's always going to be viewed as a 'clogger'. He's a much better footballer than he's given credit for. He's liable to do something stupid at any moment though, especially in a big game. That's reason enough to not pick him. "Ginger Pirlo" though Didn't Lee Ryder make that one up? Dear god, when the England manager starts quoting that cretin it's time to be done with the national team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 When you guys are on about Pirlo, do you mean that guy they call the Bearded Colback? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlouismag Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Given how dire England have been, and how little hope there seems to be of that turning around any time soon, you might be able to turn that into a positive: "C'mon lad, we'll shelter you until England are no longer a shambolic shower of shite, and you can move on in [2? 5? 10? 25?] years with your international reputation unsullied." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 At the minute it just tells any English player we try and sign, go somewhere else, you'll be nowhere near the squad if you sign for Sunderland. Given how dire England have been, and how little hope there seems to be of that turning around any time soon, you might be able to turn that into a positive: "C'mon lad, we'll shelter you until England are no longer a shambolic shower of s****, and you can move on in [2? 5? 10? 25?] years with your international reputation unsullied." Never thought of it that way mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hodgson is still obsessed with Pirlo I see. Poor guy is traumatised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I thought he was a decent player at Sunderland and he's surprised me of how much he has to his game but he's a million miles away from international standard. Or rather, he should be miles away from international standard and we should have far better players at our disposal. I don't think I'm being pedantic in asking, what is international standard? Our current international standard is getting outplayed by any good team and struggling to beat any other team bar minnows. That's a fair comment. I guess that I'd have hoped we'd have a better selection of international players to pick from but as you say our current international standard isn't exactly the selection headache Spain will when trying to pick a squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 "International quality" is a term that gets thrown around a lot, but watching the World Cup, which of our players were of this fabled international quality? For years now, fans have been calling for the England manager to select inexperienced players for friendlies, so when the World Cup or Euros come around, we're not throwing players into the deep end and they have some rapport with the mainstays of the squad. Fair play to Hodgson for his selection. Let's bear in mind, it's a squad announced for friendly competition. Cattermole would be nowhere near my squad as his attitude is appalling and he continues to have moments of madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It's not just for the friendly though, it's for a qualifier. I'd rather call up young prospects that have 0 chance of playing, than moderately young players who will never be good enough and will never get more than 5 caps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 It's not just for the friendly though, it's for a qualifier. I'd rather call up young prospects that have 0 chance of playing, than moderately young players who will never be good enough and will never get more than 5 caps. My bad, thought it was 2 friendlies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Bet he doesn't give Ste & Stiffy any tickets the big headed kernt. Gone forgotted his roots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm conflicted over my 2nd line anyway. Probably better to keep people like James Ward-Prowse in the u21s so they can actually play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Also, is it just me who thought Chambers has been shite so far for Arsenal? Or is it ultimately irrelevant how good he is - he plays for Arsenal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Quick question, how in the world did Roy avoid the sack after the WC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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