James Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 A three man midfield in my opinion needs three components A defensive midfielder, able to break up play, physically impose themselves in the game, and distribute the ball sensibly. The two players we have here are Tiote and Abeid, while Anita and Colback are some way short of fulfilling this role. A central midfielder capable of driving the game forward and giving the attack a fresh impetus. This player can be quite hard to find, but we have one with Sissoko. Dyer was another example. A more cautious central midfielder. This player should be able to support the DM, pass the ball around very effectively, and offer a late arriving goal threat. Gary Speed is the perfect example. One of these CMs needs to be able to take a set piece too, so with the others available for this role it needs to be in this position. So who gets this role, Anita or Colback? The answer is neither are good enough. Give Abeid that role, flog Tiote and Anita and buy a much better DM and we would have a great midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 you mention 3 components then go on to list 4/5 players for 2 roles, (unless i've miss-read/Misunderstood)i have always liked the look of anita, but unfortunately as a cliche it may sound he just isn't physically up to it in this league, well at least while we have a coach who does not know how to get the best from technical players with ability, Anita is what i'd call pro active, while colback is reactive. currently given the options we have, soon will have, i'd have a midfield spine of Abeid, Sissohko and De Jong, with options from the bench of Tiote, Anita & colback, then a forward 3 of Cabella, Aarons & Perez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I can't see any advantage for having Anita here. I think he needs to be sold to recoup some of the money and in regard for his own future. He has little to nothing to offer and has now had enough opportunity to do so. Unless he goes on a growth spurt followed by a long course of steroids he's going to be continually outplayed in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 We'll not get any decent money for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Refuse to believe it'd be any worse than the shit we have at the moment, at least it'd be a bit more cohesive and dangerous going forward. I'd fancy my chances of outpacing/muscling Jolback or Anita off the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rent-A-Quote Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Finally, a post with a bit sense! All these championship manager experts, say stuff like that yet don't realise the detrimental affect it would have. De Jong is a number 10 who's been playing as a striker in Holland as it's a bit easier. No no, get him in centre midfield. Nae bother. How long will his poor injury record last in there? Abeid and Anita as the defensive two for me, Tiote and Colback are cowardly cloggers, where as the first two are ball players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rent-A-Quote Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Are you joking? One defensive midfielder with how poor our team is defensively? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I thought he was utter shite until the goal. In fact, for the most part, I think he's been shite all season. Set pieces are always crap, runs around a lot, makes the odd good tackle and can usually pass it sideways fairly well. He is just such a nothing player and is another, in a long list of distinctly average English centre midfielders, that are overrated by many for some unknown reason. Obviously he was lucky to stay on the pitch as well. He has weighed in with 3 good goals for us now mind. Something we are going to need if we persist with the 4-5---------------------------------------1 formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Are you joking? One defensive midfielder with how poor our team is defensively? It's not like Sissoko is going to be abandoning his defensive duties altogether, he tends to cover back when we don't have possession anyway, as do most of our players for that matter. I don't know why it's suddenly become acceptable to have two small defensive midfielders, neither of who between them could contain the athletic Nzonzi yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 RAQ I was with you in thinking you can't play Sissoko in a midfield 2. His defensive positioning is awful but sometimes he looks capable fo being disciplined. Having Colback next to him doesn't help mind. It's worth a try but I don't think it will work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Are you joking? One defensive midfielder with how poor our team is defensively? You are talking about us being a negative team, yet you want two defensive midfielders in there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 If De Jong plays as a #10 we would need two players to play deep, one playmaker type and one ballwinner type. If we play 4-3-3 De Jong doesn't fit anywhere other than as the striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 KRUL JANMAAT COLO DUMMETT HAIDARA ABEID CABELLA SISSOKO AARONS DE JONG PEREZ Although i'd like to see Perez as a 10 with Cisse up top, but it's fitting the right players in their correct positions, i do agree however there's not a lot of protection for that defence, Alternate Perez and De Jong with Cisse up top. to think there is two other strikers that are either shit or can't get a game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I like that formation, but in reality, I dont think Abeid is up to it yet unless Sissoko doing lots of defensive works. Still worth to invest time though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I can't actually think of a system that accommodates all of our attacking players when fit and works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I can't actually think of a system that accommodates all of our attacking players when fit and works Correct, as is the case with every team in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I can't actually think of a system that accommodates all of our attacking players when fit and works Correct, as is the case with every team in the world. aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I think people are being a bit harsh on Colback. I certainly don't he should be starting every game, but considering he was a free -it's a useful signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rent-A-Quote Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Are you joking? One defensive midfielder with how poor our team is defensively? You are talking about us being a negative team, yet you want two defensive midfielders in there? We ARE a negative team. I don't WANT us to be negative. See the difference? (Hint: being and wanting are not the same) If we are to play negative, with two defensive midfielders as has been happening, then I would play Abeid and Anita. It's not my fantasy or out, but to me, the best of what we've got to support the whole team. Playing De Jong would be like playing Ben Arfa in central midfield, would you do that? Of course I would change the formation and the personnel if I was manager but I'm not am I? So I focus on what we've got not what level I think we're at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Sissoko has always struggled when playing as a deeper CM, he really isn't a good defensive player at all. An Abeid-Sissoko-De Jong triumvirate has disaster written all over it. Are you kidding? Abeid would be more than enough to take care of the defensive role, leaving Sissoko and De Jong free to provide some firepower. Are you joking? One defensive midfielder with how poor our team is defensively? You are talking about us being a negative team, yet you want two defensive midfielders in there? We ARE a negative team. I don't WANT us to be negative. See the difference? (Hint: being and wanting are not the same) If we are to play negative, with two defensive midfielders as has been happening, then I would play Abeid and Anita. It's not my fantasy or out, but to me, the best of what we've got to support the whole team. Playing De Jong would be like playing Ben Arfa in central midfield, would you do that? Of course I would change the formation and the personnel if I was manager but I'm not am I? So I focus on what we've got not what level I think we're at. If you were to play Abeid and Anita in the holding roles, then who would you not play out of Sissoko and De Jong? Either way, not playing one of them to play Abeid AND Anita would be a negative move. I think I am getting a grasp of this football malarky, thank you for your patience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 I think people are being a bit harsh on Colback. I certainly don't he should be starting every game, but considering he was a free -it's a useful signing. That's the trouble though, he's been brought in to be Cabaye's replacement. Shocking stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Jack Colback should have been sent off for two yellow card offences – namely fouls on Marc Muniesa (booked) and Victor Moses (let off) – during Newcastle’ United’s 1-1 draw at home to Stoke City on Sunday. Minutes after Kevin Friend turned a blind eye to the challenge on Moses, Colback shot Newcastle ahead. With some justification, Mark Hughes said the referee had not been strong enough or brave enough to send off a player wearing black and white at St James’ Park. It is hard to disagree – even Colback said he caught Moses and could “not have argued” had he seen red. And yet … the former Sunderland midfielder is a fabulous, much underrated player. In his typical, quiet fashion he had a good game, sensibly filling in at left back on occasions when Massadio Haïdara and Sammy Ameobi left that flank exposed and invariably used the ball sensibly. Always competitive but never niggly or remotely nast, Colback wants to win but never sets out to hurt anyone and consistently refrains from whinging when things go wrong. Moreover, he’s blesses with a lovely left foot, is positionally astute and a much better passer than often given credit for. On a human level, he’s a really nice person. “Low maintenance” as Alan Pardew used to put it. Small wonder Friend was seduced. Newcastle’s scorer was lucky here but the English game needs more Jack Colbacks. Louise Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Alan Smith syndrome. Idiot fans: "Fuckin' gerrin Smudger/Jack, mint tackle that, love players who get stuck in like" Fans with brains: "He only had to lunge into that tackle because his positioning/movement is so fucking piss poor" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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