Hughesy Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I wish journalists and 'itks' could be specific about what HBA actually does wrong. Real facts though - not made up bullshit. Because the work rate thing is a myth, the lack of end product is a myth etc etc. If challenging Pardew is enough to get him ostracised, that says a lot more about Pardew than it does about HBA. No one ever has specific details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Takes a big leader to just kick off with a player bc he didn't believe in his brilliant football philosophy. No more goals. Keep it tight. Hopefully get some magic and nick it. Get stuck in lads. Keep the dressing room banter up. We owe it Mike who stuck by us, this one is for him bull shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Regardless, HBA needs to buck his ideas up, his career has been wasted thus far and a huge proportion of that is down to himself. For someone of his ability and talented he hasn't hal had a disappointing career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Hull in free scoring mode without him I see, what a great decision to banish him from the first team, "surplus to requirements" at Hull? what a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Mental how people wanted Bruce here. He's another Pardew, complete fucking idiot who hasn't a clue how to handle flair players or implement an attacking style of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I'd prefer him to Pardew, doesn't mean I 'wanted' him here. I'd prefer Ant & Dec, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Regardless, HBA needs to buck his ideas up, his career has been wasted thus far and a huge proportion of that is down to himself. For someone of his ability and talented he hasn't hal had a disappointing career. There's no reason he couldn't have been one of the top ten players in the world with the natural ability he has. Huge waste for him and for nufc as well. (although if he had lived up to his potential I guess we would have never been able to buy him) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 He's a talent and maybe he hasn't had the best managers, but he obviously has no social skills and ability to just keep his head down and get along. He needs to sort himself out and sometimes, even if it's not what he prefers, just go along with the manager and get himself a chance to be on the pitch. He's no longer the young lad who is a bit of an enigma with time to sort his head out. He's now an experienced player who should know better. He should realise managers have an ego and he needs to maybe let some things go and just try to fit into what his managers want, even if he disagrees with it. Pardew has handled him terribly (He's Pardew so of course he has) and I'm not convinced Bruce was the kind of forward thinking attacking manager Ben Arfa needs, but it's just too many managers now that he's fallen out with. If he'd been here with Bobby he'd have been amazing, but managers like Bobby and Keegan are one in a million. There's not many of them about and it's unlikely Ben Arfa will find a manager who will do things exactly as he wants. He basically needs to grow up a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 5095 minutes he played for us, equivalent of 56 games 14 goals 17 assists So 31 goals created in 56 games. Not bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I love watching him play football and he's easily effective enough to play. Everything else can fuck off because it's entirely irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Mental how people wanted Bruce here. He's another Pardew, complete fucking idiot who hasn't a clue how to handle flair players or implement an attacking style of football. Really just shows how desperate people are to get rid of Pardew, even someone as shit as Bruce is considered an improvement. Though the more I see of his Hull team I think he might be a sideway step, outside of perhaps not being as slimey as Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 His stats was good to be honest if he's a waster. His problem is everyone seem wants him to have wonder/blinder game each time he played, when he couldnt do it, his confidence get crushed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hatem Ben Arfa has been warned by Steve Bruce to pull his sleeves up – or face having his loan spell from Newcastle cut short. The mercurial French international was dropped again for yesterday’s dull goalless draw against fellow relegation stragglers West Brom. And while the Hull manager denied the pair had a bust-up after last week’s defeat at Old Trafford he admitted he had not yet decided to keep Ben Arfa for the rest of the season. “It’s not true about a bust-up,” he said. “Of course he’s not happy about being taken off against Manchester United. “But he has to be treated like everyone else and win his spurs back by training hard and working hard and trying to get himself back into the team. “It’s disappointing for me. But I have to run a team and pick people on merit who work for the team. GettyDisappointing: Bruce isn't happy with Hatem Ben Arfa “There’s got to be a work-rate and attitude that makes sure you do something for the team. For me the team is bigger than any individual even though something like today might have been his moment. “He didn’t earn enough at Old Trafford to be in the substitutes against Everton in midweek or against West Brom . The rest is up to him now. “He has to roll his sleeves up and work for the cause. There’s no disputing he’s got ability. But ability isn’t enough at this level. “We’ll see what December and January bring and have a sit-down with him and see where we all are.” Hull have had a great 2014 – but Bruce’s ambitiously-assembled side are in grave danger of sinking deep into the mire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Loan cancelled and coming back in January according to the Chronicle. So that's Lyon, Marseille, Newcastle and Hull now. None of it is his fault though! Who says nothing is his fault? I couldn't give a fuck if he pissed on Pardew every day, all I care about is what I see on the pitch and I can see that he didn't deserve to be treated the way he was based on performances. Apparently I only saw 3 or 4 good performances though so what do I know Only 10-15 decent games as well apparently, in that case I wonder if any of our players in the last 10 years have had more than a hand full of decent games Fuck off and die Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Joke before I get banned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Hatem Ben Arfa has been warned by Steve Bruce to pull his sleeves up – or face having his loan spell from Newcastle cut short. The mercurial French international was dropped again for yesterday’s dull goalless draw against fellow relegation stragglers West Brom. And while the Hull manager denied the pair had a bust-up after last week’s defeat at Old Trafford he admitted he had not yet decided to keep Ben Arfa for the rest of the season. “It’s not true about a bust-up,” he said. “Of course he’s not happy about being taken off against Manchester United. “But he has to be treated like everyone else and win his spurs back by training hard and working hard and trying to get himself back into the team. “It’s disappointing for me. But I have to run a team and pick people on merit who work for the team. GettyDisappointing: Bruce isn't happy with Hatem Ben Arfa “There’s got to be a work-rate and attitude that makes sure you do something for the team. For me the team is bigger than any individual even though something like today might have been his moment. “He didn’t earn enough at Old Trafford to be in the substitutes against Everton in midweek or against West Brom . The rest is up to him now. “He has to roll his sleeves up and work for the cause. There’s no disputing he’s got ability. But ability isn’t enough at this level. “We’ll see what December and January bring and have a sit-down with him and see where we all are.” Hull have had a great 2014 – but Bruce’s ambitiously-assembled side are in grave danger of sinking deep into the mire. Tells you everything you need to know about these types of managers. If you do it in training and work hard, you get picked. If you do it in matches, they're not as arsed. Exactly the reason Shola made a career at NUFC despite being absolute dog shit in 99% on the matches he played in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Didn't he get like 30mins at Man U and was their only creative player? Didn't they concede twice after he was subbed off as well? Not to be that guy but there's a reason they're 18th and that's because Bruce is a fucking shit manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Tells you all you need that he's dropping attackers out the squad before a 0-0 draw. It's mind bogglingly predictable and moronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 wonder if everton might have a look when he's free actually, would love to see him play under martinez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Honestly don't know how any sane human being would keep Hatem out of the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Any manager that tries to implement good football, would be able to get the best out of hatem. None of this safety first, clean sheet and hope for the best shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Mental how people wanted Bruce here. He's another Pardew, complete fucking idiot who hasn't a clue how to handle flair players or implement an attacking style of football. Really just shows how desperate people are to get rid of Pardew, even someone as shit as Bruce is considered an improvement. Though the more I see of his Hull team I think he might be a sideway step, outside of perhaps not being as slimey as Pardew. I'd have Bruce over Pardew but when they were signing Hatem, Abel Hernandez and co. people were saying how good a manager he was etc. In fairness he has done a good job at Hull, a cup final and a solid league campaign. However he is another Pardew, defensive minded and a complete bellend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Honestly don't know how any sane human being would keep Hatem out of the first team. Seen someone say how much better we are without him on Twitter. Personally think he wonder if everton might have a look when he's free actually, would love to see him play under martinez Would hate to see him at Everton, hate that club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Ashley's a twatt, Pardew will always be an odious arse but some people need to have a word with themselves over Ben Arfa and look at the crux of the issue rather than half baked ideas for his ongoing downfall. Cracking player on his day, awesome talent but the evidence is there for all to see. For whatever reason this lad just can't get his down properly. It's a shame but that's the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Those comments from Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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