Unbelievable Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 People can't look past Luuk and are trying to put that s*** on Siem man. My goodness. He is not too slow to play in that position, and Sunday is no reference for his game, as the team was absolute garbage once he came on. Can't believe the junk being talked about the guy man. So fickle. Luuk de Jong is doing pretty well at PSV at the moment. One would almost think our coaching setup didn't have a clue at the time on how to use him or give him confidence. I realise he didn't set the league on fire in Germany either, but he's certainly a better striker than he showed at NUFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he still managed to prove himself in a better league in the future. As for his brother Siem, I've said he was a better version of Kevin Nolan straight from the start. He can certainly be a very useful player for us and I think he's plenty good and strong enough for the Premier League personally (he put two past Man City in the CL). Writing him off after only a few appearances like some on here are doing is incredibly harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Siem managed to score for us already so there's that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 People can't look past Luuk and are trying to put that s*** on Siem man. My goodness. He is not too slow to play in that position, and Sunday is no reference for his game, as the team was absolute garbage once he came on. Can't believe the junk being talked about the guy man. So fickle. Luuk de Jong is doing pretty well at PSV at the moment. One would almost think our coaching setup didn't have a clue at the time on how to use him or give him confidence. I realise he didn't set the league on fire in Germany either, but he's certainly a better striker than he showed at NUFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he still managed to prove himself in a better league in the future. As for his brother Siem, I've said he was a better version of Kevin Nolan straight from the start. He can certainly be a very useful player for us and I think he's plenty good and strong enough for the Premier League personally (he put two past Man City in the CL). Writing him off after only a few appearances like some on here are doing is incredibly harsh. Funny thing is I have no doubt that Luuk's poor showings were down to the buffoons in charge. I would have had no issue with him staying actually. He had been injured, and I doubt the preparation for him to get back into the groove was good enough. My post above was more referring to people's disappointment in Luuk at the time, and now transferring that onto Siem. I had no issue with Luuk whatsoever. I think it's a shame he never really got a chance to get into his groove here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 not dismissing him or writing him off, just looks like he is three yards (not one) off the pace at the moment, has looked similar in the pre-season games also. Yes, he has good touch and control, holds the ball up well also, but when you see him run it looks like he's in slow motion FFS! Hope to be proved totally wrong and he becomes a first rate Nolan type for us... fingers crossed P.S. Still think Ayoze deserves to be in that 10 role before Siem just based on last seasons displays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 If LDJ wasn't cut out to succeed in Germany, I doubt very much he was cut to succeed in England - it may have been in his favour if he wasn't being asked to play CB-CF due to being a 'big lad' though. But come on, this is pretty fucking irrelevant. Apart from sharing the same mam and being Dutch I don't see what else LDJ has in common with SDJ, so pairing them off together is pointless. SDJ has proven over a long career he is a top footballer and in the few appearances he's played for us when starting he's looked like he's more than capable of cutting it. Just give the bloke a bit of time to regain full match sharpness and get back to his best. If he manages to stay injury free for thewhole of this month he should be starting by September and back to his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 People can't look past Luuk and are trying to put that s*** on Siem man. My goodness. He is not too slow to play in that position, and Sunday is no reference for his game, as the team was absolute garbage once he came on. Can't believe the junk being talked about the guy man. So fickle. Luuk de Jong is doing pretty well at PSV at the moment. One would almost think our coaching setup didn't have a clue at the time on how to use him or give him confidence. I realise he didn't set the league on fire in Germany either, but he's certainly a better striker than he showed at NUFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he still managed to prove himself in a better league in the future. As for his brother Siem, I've said he was a better version of Kevin Nolan straight from the start. He can certainly be a very useful player for us and I think he's plenty good and strong enough for the Premier League personally (he put two past Man City in the CL). Writing him off after only a few appearances like some on here are doing is incredibly harsh. Funny thing is I have no doubt that Luuk's poor showings were down to the buffoons in charge. I would have had no issue with him staying actually. He had been injured, and I doubt the preparation for him to get back into the groove was good enough. My post above was more referring to people's disappointment in Luuk at the time, and now transferring that onto Siem. I had no issue with Luuk whatsoever. I think it's a shame he never really got a chance to get into his groove here. Tbf I don't think you can blame Pardew for Luuk de Jong not being able to kick the ball with any force whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Personally, I prefer to blame Pardew for everything. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Luuk was told to play the support striker role that Siem plays, man. Of course he was terribly managed and coached in that shit team of ours with the idiots in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I think 1 goal (and only 7 apps) for Holland tells its own story re. Luuk. Just not very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Luuk was told to play the support striker role that Siem plays, man. Of course he was terribly managed and coached in that shit team of ours with the idiots in charge. Maybe but you should be able to kick the ball with a bit of power no matter where you play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ah right, scuffed a few shots. I'm sure his goals last season were a bunch of U7 school boy taps too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Luuk is obviously a better player than he showed for us, there are probably loads of factors why he didn't perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ah right, scuffed a few shots. I'm sure his goals last season were a bunch of U7 school boy taps too. Scuffed a few? I don't think he hit one decent shot in his time here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 He barely even had any shots. That guy was so low on confidence when he came here it was so obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 He scuffed the few shots he took Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 But he's a Dutch international. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 He barely even had any shots. That guy was so low on confidence when he came here it was so obvious. It always worries me when a striker isn't even looking to score, no matter how good his all round game is. It's a similar story to Riviere who looks okay everywhere except in front of goal. As far as Siem goes, I liked the look of him in the 30 mins or so he played in his first game, since then I just find it hard to get excited about him as he just hasn't turned up. I hope he does well when he's fit obviously, but I'm glad we aren't hanging our hat on him any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Unless his injuries have done him in we've got the better brother, no doubt. Love the look of Siem. He plays a bit deeper but he reminds me a little of Viduka. Very accomplished footballer with such clever movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 People can't look past Luuk and are trying to put that s*** on Siem man. My goodness. He is not too slow to play in that position, and Sunday is no reference for his game, as the team was absolute garbage once he came on. Can't believe the junk being talked about the guy man. So fickle. Luuk de Jong is doing pretty well at PSV at the moment. One would almost think our coaching setup didn't have a clue at the time on how to use him or give him confidence. I realise he didn't set the league on fire in Germany either, but he's certainly a better striker than he showed at NUFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he still managed to prove himself in a better league in the future. As for his brother Siem, I've said he was a better version of Kevin Nolan straight from the start. He can certainly be a very useful player for us and I think he's plenty good and strong enough for the Premier League personally (he put two past Man City in the CL). Writing him off after only a few appearances like some on here are doing is incredibly harsh. Funny thing is I have no doubt that Luuk's poor showings were down to the buffoons in charge. I would have had no issue with him staying actually. He had been injured, and I doubt the preparation for him to get back into the groove was good enough. My post above was more referring to people's disappointment in Luuk at the time, and now transferring that onto Siem. I had no issue with Luuk whatsoever. I think it's a shame he never really got a chance to get into his groove here. Tbf I don't think you can blame Pardew for Luuk de Jong not being able to kick the ball with any force whatsoever It's funny that LDJ seems to be able to hit it just fine for PSV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It's not just Pardew telling De Jong to kick the ball softly, it's the general mess of a club we were when he was here. And the new league and all that. He's obviously much better than he showed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I definitely had an issue with LDJ. His gentle backpasses to the opposition keeper would've been chalked off as rustiness if we weren't direly in the need for a striker to just smash a goal or two in when he was playing. We sorely needed the points. Maybe the pressure and where we were in the league that season didn't help his confidence at all, which is me being kind to him. I'm glad he's found his feet again elsewhere. Just because a player fails in his time at one club doesn't mean he's shit at everything forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Problem is he looks soooooo slow... Really worried about this, can he cut the Prem or is he another brother of the same name... i agree with this entirely, but i only see this as a problem until the team starts to function a bit better and hopefully become a bit less shaky at the back...then it'd be no worse than having an immobile 2nd striker in a 4-4-2, thing is he'd have to weigh in with goals for it to work he should be nowhere near the pitch in games like sunday mind, not for a long while, hope mclaren gets this now Sorry, this is just wrong, he's not immobile at all man. fortunate i didn't say he was immobile then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 People can't look past Luuk and are trying to put that s*** on Siem man. My goodness. He is not too slow to play in that position, and Sunday is no reference for his game, as the team was absolute garbage once he came on. Can't believe the junk being talked about the guy man. So fickle. Luuk de Jong is doing pretty well at PSV at the moment. One would almost think our coaching setup didn't have a clue at the time on how to use him or give him confidence. I realise he didn't set the league on fire in Germany either, but he's certainly a better striker than he showed at NUFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he still managed to prove himself in a better league in the future. As for his brother Siem, I've said he was a better version of Kevin Nolan straight from the start. He can certainly be a very useful player for us and I think he's plenty good and strong enough for the Premier League personally (he put two past Man City in the CL). Writing him off after only a few appearances like some on here are doing is incredibly harsh. Funny thing is I have no doubt that Luuk's poor showings were down to the buffoons in charge. I would have had no issue with him staying actually. He had been injured, and I doubt the preparation for him to get back into the groove was good enough. My post above was more referring to people's disappointment in Luuk at the time, and now transferring that onto Siem. I had no issue with Luuk whatsoever. I think it's a shame he never really got a chance to get into his groove here. Tbf I don't think you can blame Pardew for Luuk de Jong not being able to kick the ball with any force whatsoever It's funny that LDJ seems to be able to hit it just fine for PSV It was obviously a massive confidence issue probably from not making it in Germany rather than a lack of skill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I've seen De Jong twice this season; down at York and after coming on against Southampton. Of that pitch time, he's spent about 90% of it being completely invisible - which is a bit of a concern - but it's still early days for him and I'd hunch that he'll be a useful squad member. If Pardew was still here I'd have virtually no hope of SDJ ever being a success, because, from what we've seen so far, he doesn't appear to have a particularly defined position in the front six. Pards set his formations up totally rigidly (despite what you hear), and every single attacker we had under him that needed some form of fluidity going forward ultimately failed. McClaren, hopefully, will be better at recognising exactly what he has at his disposal. At the moment we've got a variety of attackers with different attributes - there's a good mix of styles and positions there. I don't see why De Jong can't find his place amongst that, but he'll never be an impact sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Agree with you about him not being an impact sub, Yorkie. If he's going to come off the bench, it needs to be before the hour mark or there's little point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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