Crystal Palace manager

[leffe186]

Hope that was worth the few hundred quid they paid her...

 

I've no doubt it was . Loads of you guys will have checked it out for one, and a few hundred quid isn't all that much.

[TK-421]

Steve Howey is an absolute f***ing numpty. Saying the fans have got to back the team AND the manager. The radio makes me angry. Big Geordie, hurry up and get on there.

 

Aye, was having a shout at the radio on the way home.

 

Howey puts the majority of the blame on the players. None of them seem to want to say that it Pardew who sets the team up, tells them how to play, and the one who sets the questionable tactics and make the odd substitutions.

 

Loads of sympathy for Pardew working under and 'putting up with' Ashley, yet not realising that if he had it so bad, he could retain a scrap of respect and dignity by walking away, yet remains complicit in everything that goes on, because he just wants his payout.

 

Almost felt like phoning in, but not sure I could stop myself losing my rag or swearing!! 

[Ketsbaia]

This is all absolutely depressing me, like. What's the point in football? What did we do to deserve this? At least some tunnels have a light at the end of them.

[Guest Gino14]

Leicester will attack the f*** out of his. Ulloa's height = He'll beat Colo in the air. And Vardy will run circles around our CBs.

 

Anybody who thinks Pardew will save his job playing these hasn't seen them play.  They'll destroy us on current form, but then again most local pub teams would make us struggle at present.

[Scotty66]

"need a player who can beat a man or create a chance" is just an absolutely horrendous comment.

 

He had Ben Arfa,had Marv,and shipped them out.

 

He got Cabella and is failing to get anything out of him.

 

Sammy doesn't get a look in.

 

His only solution in bringing on fucking Obertan.

 

Also it speaks volumes about Pardew as a manager,he's wanting a player to save his arse (see Ba,Cabaye,Remy) because he can't figure out how to get te team to do it via his tactics.

[leffe186]

You can't stress it enough - you guys are essentially bottom after six games when only one of those games was against the "big seven". It's only going to get worse if Pardew stays, and I'm absolutely astonished he's still there, Ashley notwithstanding. He's clearly trolling.

 

Look at the next few months. Chances are he'll now be there through October. Leicester are the sort of team that his approach might work against, plus he blagged a result at our place last year. That would take you to November. If you don't get two or three wins then (new manager or no) then December looks like a disaster area, and you'll be adrift by January. On the bright side, that would mean some more panic-buying, and if Pardew makes it to December there's no way he sees 2015 as Newcastle Utd manager. On the flip side, there's an ominous-looking set of games from Crystal Palace away on Feb 10th (tough crowd, evening kick-off) until Anfield on 11th April. Beat us at SJP and you might get some momentum. Lose that, and the easy run-in suddenly looks like five relegation six-pointers.

[brummie]

The worst thing is the total disconnect between people paid to talk about or write about football, and people who pay to watch it.

 

I've heard plenty of the former talking about Pardew and being full of sympathy for him, and hardly anyone taking the point of views of the paying punter.

 

As a supporter, that is the sort of utter frustration that others in the game (pundits, managers, players) can't possibly feel. I used to hear people frequently say what a good job McLeish was doing for us, for example, and it used to make me so fucking angry, I'd just stop watching or listening to stuff about football.

 

They'll never, ever understand.

[leffe186]

The worst thing is the total disconnect between people paid to talk about or write about football, and people who pay to watch it.

 

I've heard plenty of the former talking about Pardew and being full of sympathy for him, and hardly anyone taking the point of views of the paying punter.

 

As a supporter, that is the sort of utter frustration that others in the game (pundits, managers, players) can't possibly feel. I used to hear people frequently say what a good job McLeish was doing for us, for example, and it used to make me so f***ing angry, I'd just stop watching or listening to stuff about football.

 

They'll never, ever understand.

 

There's part of me that has some sympathy with pundits, because they can't be expected to have their finger on the pulse of every set of supporters. However, you could just spend an hour a day Mon-Fri on the various supporters' message boards and get the gist. That should be part of their job. The other side is the need (as a journalist) to be careful about alienating contacts in the game. However, there's a journalistic balance to be struck, and the "boys" continually fail to do so.

[Kanj]

This is all absolutely depressing me, like. What's the point in football? What did we do to deserve this? At least some tunnels have a light at the end of them.

 

Yes. Feel same.

 

Leicester will attack the f*** out of his. Ulloa's height = He'll beat Colo in the air. And Vardy will run circles around our CBs.

 

Anybody who thinks Pardew will save his job playing these hasn't seen them play.  They'll destroy us on current form, but then again most local pub teams would make us struggle at present.

 

Yep. They've got a former assistant manager of ours who's got them playing some decent stuff, if this was at Leicester they'd murder us man, that crowd would instantly cripple our bottlers.

 

You can't stress it enough - you guys are essentially bottom after six games when only one of those games was against the "big seven". It's only going to get worse if Pardew stays, and I'm absolutely astonished he's still there, Ashley notwithstanding. He's clearly trolling.

 

Look at the next few months. Chances are he'll now be there through October. Leicester are the sort of team that his approach might work against, plus he blagged a result at our place last year. That would take you to November. If you don't get two or three wins then (new manager or no) then December looks like a disaster area, and you'll be adrift by January. On the bright side, that would mean some more panic-buying, and if Pardew makes it to December there's no way he sees 2015 as Newcastle Utd manager. On the flip side, there's an ominous-looking set of games from Crystal Palace away on Feb 10th (tough crowd, evening kick-off) until Anfield on 11th April. Beat us at SJP and you might get some momentum. Lose that, and the easy run-in suddenly looks like five relegation six-pointers.

 

If we don't get rid of Pardew soon, we're toast. We'll be in a relegation battle for the rest of the season. I'm certain of it.

[r0cafella]

Brummie and leffe are great posters we are lucky to have you guys on here

[Guest chopey]

Ashley is a gambler and he only cares about money, so his cheapest option is to keep pardew and hope he can scrape enough results together to keep us up, or for him to walk with no payout.

 

Pardew only leaves jobs when he is paid off or he has a better job to go to, I think our only hope at the minute is for Mcoist to get the bullet at Rangers and Pardew to transfer his 6 year £8000 a week contract north of the border. 

[r0cafella]

It's crazy we know Mike loves a gamble and he appears to be throwing the dice yet again but what does he actually stand to gain from this bet?

[AlanSkÃrare]

Today is so empty. I can't believe this is happening.

[Guest Gino14]

The worst thing is the total disconnect between people paid to talk about or write about football, and people who pay to watch it.

 

I've heard plenty of the former talking about Pardew and being full of sympathy for him, and hardly anyone taking the point of views of the paying punter.

 

As a supporter, that is the sort of utter frustration that others in the game (pundits, managers, players) can't possibly feel. I used to hear people frequently say what a good job McLeish was doing for us, for example, and it used to make me so f***ing angry, I'd just stop watching or listening to stuff about football.

 

They'll never, ever understand.

 

I wish pundits would actually take the fans points on board and just think about them.  They're paid to talk about and analyse football, yet it feels like they often don't know even the basic stats going into a game they're covering.  It's amazing how they suddenly know a bit now that sackpardew.com has put it all in one place for them.  So before that they were just too lazy to do their jobs basically.

 

They totally ignore the fans, when the fans are very rarely wrong.  How many managers ever recover to good form after heavy fan unrest.  I can't remember many.  Usually each sacking just takes far too long and just leaves the club in a far worse position than if the major fan unrest had got a result.  Pundits and the media backing useless managers with terrible records are very much a part of a lot of clubs doing worse than they should.  I really think we can learn a lot from the continent.  They get accused of not giving managers time.  I think of it as not accepting incompetence.  You can either do the job, or go find another one.  These people are millionaires, they don't need sympathy jobs and time given to them when they know exactly what to sign up for.  That's how the normal job market works, either get it right or get sacked, so why should the world of football management be any different?

[Wullie]

Pundits have never been fans, and don't understand how they feel.

[Guest chopey]

Darren Gough on talksport said tonight "Newcastle fans need to make their minds up about who they want out Pardew or Ashley because both have done good jobs" its the first time in months I've shouted at the radio in sheer frustration

[Guest Gino14]

I wouldn't wish to generalise too much and group all pundits together, but there an awful lot of very stupid people who get to be pundits.  Sometimes you watch them on a panel and wonder if you could count on one hand the brain cells they have to rub together.  The intelligent ones are very few and far between.  Usually with most of the pundits it seems like they're recruited to be entertaining and cause debate with daft opinions.

[Andybiotics]

The support Pardew gets from most pundits is incredible.

Most say he has had a "great" managerial career. Finishing 5th? Anything else to add?

Almost say we should be grateful to have a manager who can only manage 5 wins in 2014...its October tomorrow.

[Guest Gino14]

I was actually amazed that in a football sense at least Soccer Saturday kind of turned on him.  They stopped short of saying he's a poor manager or anything like that, but they laid into the stats and our poor record this year.  There was also a general consensus that this position could not be recovered, his position was untenable and basically he should really be sacked for the good of everyone at the club, himself included.  I thought they'd be the last ones to admit to anything like that really.

[midds]

Even at this early stage it's hard to pick out the 3 teams we need to finish above. Burnley look technically poor but at least they're a unit and the graft will see them pick up a few points at home. That said if we had Burnley at the weekend I'd expect to lose. QPR don't look great but could spend in January, Leicester look fairly good and have a goalscorer, Palace have already had a few decent results too. Sunderland look poor but they'll take 6 points from us yet again this season, WBA started poorly but have won 3 in a row and we're already playing catch-up. 

 

It's looking really, really ominous for us and I don't understand why he's still here. Three points out of 18 and we've only played one of the top teams in City. You can write off Arsenal x2, Man U x2, Chelsea x2, Liverpool x2, Everton x2, Spurs x2 as well as City x1. That leaves another 20 other games to get another 37 points just to stay up.

 

We're fucked. Proper fucked.

[cp40]

Even at this early stage it's hard to pick out the 3 teams we need to finish above. Burnley look technically poor but at least they're a unit and the graft will see them pick up a few points at home. That said if we had Burnley at the weekend I'd expect to lose. QPR don't look great but could spend in January, Leicester look fairly good and have a goalscorer, Palace have already had a few decent results too. Sunderland look poor but they'll take 6 points from us yet again this season, WBA started poorly but have won 3 in a row and we're already playing catch-up. 

 

It's looking really, really ominous for us and I don't understand why he's still here. Three points out of 18 and we've only played one of the top teams in City. You can write off Arsenal x2, Man U x2, Chelsea x2, Liverpool x2, Everton x2, Spurs x2 as well as City x1. That leaves another 20 other games to get another 37 points just to stay up.

 

We're fucked. Proper fucked.

 

 

Im not even sure we can bounce straight back as easy as last time either.

[Guest Gino14]

Even at this early stage it's hard to pick out the 3 teams we need to finish above. Burnley look technically poor but at least they're a unit and the graft will see them pick up a few points at home. That said if we had Burnley at the weekend I'd expect to lose. QPR don't look great but could spend in January, Leicester look fairly good and have a goalscorer, Palace have already had a few decent results too. Sunderland look poor but they'll take 6 points from us yet again this season, WBA started poorly but have won 3 in a row and we're already playing catch-up. 

 

It's looking really, really ominous for us and I don't understand why he's still here. Three points out of 18 and we've only played one of the top teams in City. You can write off Arsenal x2, Man U x2, Chelsea x2, Liverpool x2, Everton x2, Spurs x2 as well as City x1. That leaves another 20 other games to get another 37 points just to stay up.

 

We're f***ed. Proper f***ed.

 

I did a full league predictor earlier today and had us on 33 points.  Miraculously we stayed up, but we were in the relegation zone all season till the last few games and I doubt in reality 33 points is enough.  We'd need those and to get a few good shock wins, which I don't see how we'll ever get.  When I see a game with Liverpool I just see a game where I wonder how many we'll lose by.  People like Pardew just make football a painful experience for fans.  He's everything that's wrong with the game in England.

[Guest palnese]

Even at this early stage it's hard to pick out the 3 teams we need to finish above. Burnley look technically poor but at least they're a unit and the graft will see them pick up a few points at home. That said if we had Burnley at the weekend I'd expect to lose. QPR don't look great but could spend in January, Leicester look fairly good and have a goalscorer, Palace have already had a few decent results too. Sunderland look poor but they'll take 6 points from us yet again this season, WBA started poorly but have won 3 in a row and we're already playing catch-up. 

 

It's looking really, really ominous for us and I don't understand why he's still here. Three points out of 18 and we've only played one of the top teams in City. You can write off Arsenal x2, Man U x2, Chelsea x2, Liverpool x2, Everton x2, Spurs x2 as well as City x1. That leaves another 20 other games to get another 37 points just to stay up.

 

We're fucked. Proper fucked.

 

Even with a new manager?

[midds]

If Pardew is still here at christmas, we're down. that simple

 

Last season Sunderland had 13 points on the board on Boxing Day and needed a miracle to stay up. I honestly can't see where the next win is coming from, we'll grind a few draws out but actually beating someone seems highly unlikely atm. The fixtures after Burnley at the start of December are automatic losses so unless we can win 4 of the next 6 or something daft like that then we'll be in a worse position than the mackems were last year. 

[Guest Gino14]

If Pardew is still here at christmas, we're down. that simple

 

Every time I've worried about relegation I've always thought we had enough to get clear of it, apart from when we actually went down.  I knew in the pit of my stomach that nothing at the club was right.  It just felt like a relegation season I'd seen before at so many teams that have gone down.  I feel that exact way right now.  So much is rotten at the club.  The manager is a coward, who couldn't organise himself well enough to put the right amount of sugar in his tea.  Along with that, we have major weaknesses in the team.  We don't score goals and we let them in for fun.  Sooner or later that turns from a decent number of 1-0 wins and 4-0 losses to every game being a 2-1 loss instead.  That's what's happening for the most part this season.  We never look like solidly winning a game.

 

Ingredients for a relegation season:

 

1) Owner who riles up the fans and is ignorant to their needs

2) Manager who very rarely picks the right team, or gets the right tactics

3) Players who look like they know relegation means they'll actually get the move they want, so are not even trying

4) Strikers who don't score goals

5) Midfielders who don't create chances

6) Midfielders who leave the defence exposed

7) Defenders who don't communicate and make idiotic errors

8) Lack of any real team captain/leader

 

We have all those flaws and then some.  It'll take a miracle to sort it all out and we might even go down with a new manager if something isn't done soon.  We'll need to actually appoint someone good to get it fully worked out.  Moyes would get it sorted out in time, if he'd ever come here.  Not sure who else could sort this ramshackle bunch of misfits into a plausible team, but anyone could do better than "We lack someone to run past people because I loaned out Ben Arfa" Pardew.