Crystal Palace manager

[Guest firetotheworks]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Wenger only played for amateur clubs.

 

He still played the game and game from inside the game.  Its not like he had a change of career.

of manag

For all those managers listed above.  You could name plenty of managers who have achieved "success" who came through a playing career to a management career.

 

Alex Ferguson, Bobby Robson, Kenny Dalgliesh, George Graham, Terry Venables, Pep Guadiola, Roberto Martinez, David Moyes Sam Allardyce, Alan Pardew 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't make the non-playing coaches rare though, that's what you originally said.

[cp40]

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

[NG32]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

 

I thought at the time Arsenal brought Wenger in, he had tried his hand over in Japan but already had a reputation from France, so it wasn't "who is this dude" to the people ITK of football.

[NG32]

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

 

He has a genetic knee issue apparently and retired early...in his 20s.

[Guest Gino14]

Players are going to achieve success as managers though, because they're the ones that get the vast majority of the employment opportunities.  If 99% of managers are ex players then some will be success.

 

There aren't many without top level playing experience who get a chance and a decent amount of them seem to be successful. I'm not bothered about ex players getting a chance to be managers, but it'd be nice if they were at least picked based on coaching ability and intelligence, rather than their ability as a player, which often means nothing to them being a great or crap manager.

[Guest firetotheworks]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

 

I thought at the time Arsenal brought Wenger in, he had tried his hand over in Japan but already had a reputation from France, so it wasn't "who is this dude" to the people ITK of football.

 

Aye...from having not ever been a professional footballer. That's the point.

[Ste]

 

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

 

A career in the army was an option, but he didn't enjoy Call of Duty so wasn't great at shooting a gun.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

 

He has a genetic knee issue apparently and retired early...in his 20s.

 

Aka he was a fat bastard.

[NG32]

 

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

 

A career in the army was an option, but he didn't enjoy Call of Duty so wasn't great at shooting a gun.

 

:lol:

[George Bailey]

Not sure there are many more incestuous career paths that exist than football.

 

So many less than average and mediocre managers, pundits, coaches et al just doing the rounds. Sycophantically fawned over by the same TV channels. Almost like a closed shop in some ways.

 

 

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

 

I agree on the not needing to be a player thing, there's a lot of turd in the English management ranks, I was just sure those two had played the game at some professional level.

 

On a personal note, I was speaking to a Championship player not long back, some of the things he was telling me about the backwards management really does open your eyes to the living these blokes are stealing.

[mrmojorisin75]

Can't believe people are arguing that people with an education outside football aren't as capable of being good managers as the dimwits who were lucky enough to play. The numbers will always be stacked massively against those outside the game but what the few who did it have actually achieved in the game tells you they need more chances.

[cp40]

 

Brendan Rodgers never played either.

Rodgers career as a player was cut short due to an injury.

 

If he wanted to continue in football, then it was as a coach or a manager.

 

 

Rogers retired young to lock himself in his bedroom for 10 years and play Football Manager and learn to be a good manager.

 

A career in the army was an option, but he didn't enjoy Call of Duty so wasn't great at shooting a gun.

 

 

  I was actually thinking about that game/ vs real wars before when that Fm thing broke  out..

[loki679]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

 

On a personal note, I was speaking to a Championship player not long back, some of the things he was telling me about the backwards management really does open your eyes to the living these blokes are stealing.

 

Go on....

[NG32]

Players are going to achieve success as managers though, because they're the ones that get the vast majority of the employment opportunities.  If 99% of managers are ex players then some will be success.

 

There aren't many without top level playing experience who get a chance and a decent amount of them seem to be successful. I'm not bothered about ex players getting a chance to be managers, but it'd be nice if they were at least picked based on coaching ability and intelligence, rather than their ability as a player, which often means nothing to them being a great or crap manager.

 

Some might get picked on reputation alone but others might have great ideas on what they want to do with the team and how they want to drive it forward.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

I'm pretty sure Wenger and Mourinho both played, like. Mourinho was an attacking midfielder for some lowly Portuguese team, jacked it in pretty sharp, IIRC.

 

Mourinho played for the team that his dad managed, then two others and then quit because he wanted to be a manager. The point being, they're lowly teams. There was the whole 'Arsene who?' thing because in terms of being players, they were complete outsiders.

 

On a personal note, I was speaking to a Championship player not long back, some of the things he was telling me about the backwards management really does open your eyes to the living these blokes are stealing.

 

Go on....

 

I absolutely believe this like.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Can't believe people are arguing that people with an education outside football aren't as capable of being good managers as the dimwits who were lucky enough to play. The numbers will always be stacked massively against those outside the game but what the few who did it have actually achieved in the game tells you they need more chances.

 

There's absolutely no reason a nobody who plays football manager couldn't make a career out of it if he studied the game enough IMO.

 

It's the same with anything really, if you work hard enough at it and learn the craft you can do it. But fact of the matter is you'll never get a chance based on that alone.

 

I personally never understand the mindset that "he's played football so he knows his stuff and you didn't so you know fuck all ". Sky and BBC prove on a weekly basis that isn't the case if anything in some cases it's the complete opposite.

[Hughesy]

There's that guy at Brentford - but I think even he played football at some level - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25734351

[Guest Gino14]

Players are going to achieve success as managers though, because they're the ones that get the vast majority of the employment opportunities.  If 99% of managers are ex players then some will be success.

 

There aren't many without top level playing experience who get a chance and a decent amount of them seem to be successful. I'm not bothered about ex players getting a chance to be managers, but it'd be nice if they were at least picked based on coaching ability and intelligence, rather than their ability as a player, which often means nothing to them being a great or crap manager.

 

Some might get picked on reputation alone but others might have great ideas on what they want to do with the team and how they want to drive it forward.

 

I'm sure that some will be great managers, but the amount that go on to be poor shows that far too much is done on reputation.  That's not a problem unique to Football though.  You can look at any business the world over and see some clown get promoted to a job they don't deserve because they kissed up to the boss, or they have friends in high places and many other factors.

 

You can see the same problem with players.  Young players not getting a look in because they don't have a fancy name and so another guy gets playing time for ages, even when he's awful.  A lot of our young players have only been given chances because Pardew had no choice.  If he'd had his way Gouffran would still be left wing.  Unfortunately the world is full of people doing things for the wrong reasons, or with misguided reasoning.

[Hanshithispantz]

This a Giggs?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2864760/Alan-Pardew-discovered-stars-Newcastle-misfits-emerged-Magpies-leading-men.html

 

If you fancy raging, anyway.

[Hughesy]

Can't believe people are arguing that people with an education outside football aren't as capable of being good managers as the dimwits who were lucky enough to play. The numbers will always be stacked massively against those outside the game but what the few who did it have actually achieved in the game tells you they need more chances.

 

There's absolutely no reason a nobody who plays football manager couldn't make a career out of it if he studied the game enough IMO.

 

It's the same with anything really, if you work hard enough at it and learn the craft you can do it. But fact of the matter is you'll never get a chance based on that alone.

 

I personally never understand the mindset that "he's played football so he knows his stuff and you didn't so you know f*** all ". Sky and BBC prove on a weekly basis that isn't the case if anything in some cases it's the complete opposite.

 

That Secret Footballer guy/Dave Kitson is obsessed with telling people that only people who have played the game can truly understand the tactical nuances etc and that fans generally don't know anything.  Which is quite frankly a load of crap, but his view nonetheless.

[mrmojorisin75]

Can't believe people are arguing that people with an education outside football aren't as capable of being good managers as the dimwits who were lucky enough to play. The numbers will always be stacked massively against those outside the game but what the few who did it have actually achieved in the game tells you they need more chances.

 

There's absolutely no reason a nobody who plays football manager couldn't make a career out of it if he studied the game enough IMO.

 

It's the same with anything really, if you work hard enough at it and learn the craft you can do it. But fact of the matter is you'll never get a chance based on that alone.

 

I personally never understand the mindset that "he's played football so he knows his stuff and you didn't so you know f*** all ". Sky and BBC prove on a weekly basis that isn't the case if anything in some cases it's the complete opposite.

 

That Secret Footballer guy/Dave Kitson is obsessed with telling people that only people who have played the game can truly understand the tactical nuances etc and that fans generally don't know anything.  Which is quite frankly a load of crap, but his view nonetheless.

 

Most people involved in professional football are barely educated man, it's nothing more than a closed shop designed to keep as many of them in work as possible.

[KaKa]

Are there any English managers who did not play the game to a competitive level?

 

Some pretty impressive foreign managers have been listed. Wondering if there are nay English ones at all?

[Hughesy]

Are there any English managers who did not play the game to a competitive level?

 

Some pretty impressive foreign managers have been listed. Wondering if there are nay English ones at all?

 

Put on the other page an article about the Brentford manager who left a career as a broker to get into football, but he had played non-league stuff before I think.