The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Tbh it's as simple as this - all NUFC fans thought we played good football under Keegan/Robson, and nobody would claim it was tika-taka stuff at all times. You're talking s****, again. We didn't pass it aimlessly though. That's my point. We were attacking teams. Both fast and direct teams- forward passes not long balls, although we weren't scared of getting the ball in behind a defence quickly. That's good football. ATTACKING. Creating chances. Moving the ball forward at pace. The most defensive side under those managers had Speed - Jenas in midfield. Gary Speed always wanted to make a forward pass, he was forward thinking. can i find Robert, Alan or Bellamy. Not incessantly back to Titus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 As usual there's a middle ground between aimless hoofing and pointless possession that's being deliberately ignored for the sake of an argument where there isn't one. This is it. I said it weeks ago. Every fucking thread. From my POV he appears to be impossible to wind up to the degree he calls me a cunt, he's my kryptonite so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Tbh it's as simple as this - all NUFC fans thought we played good football under Keegan/Robson, and nobody would claim it was tika-taka stuff at all times. You're talking s****, again. We didn't pass it aimlessly though. That's my point. We were attacking teams. Both fast and direct teams- forward passes not long balls, although we weren't scared of getting the ball in behind a defence quickly. That's good football. ATTACKING. Creating chances. Moving the ball forward at pace. The most defensive side under those managers had Speed - Jenas in midfield. Gary Speed always wanted to make a forward pass, he was forward thinking. can i find Robert, Alan or Bellamy. Not incessantly back to Titus. No shit. Everything you're saying is fucking obvious, so why the fuck you saying it at such irritating and pompous length? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 So hoof the ball up the pitch every time you get it, and if you turn a small percentage of those aimless clearances into chances that's good Football? No of course not. Pardew-ball was shit and bad football. So far SMC-ball is aimless and also bad football. Good football = getting into attacking positions and creating chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thank you for clarifying what good football is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Good football = getting into attacking positions and creating chances. I'm interested in this viewpoint, please, tell me more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thank you for clarifying what good football is. Not one person wants passing for passing's sake when the team don't look comfortable with it, the movement off the ball needs to be right so we're getting ourselves into good positions and playing penetrative and effective football, rather than having to constantly play it around the back 4. Like you say, yet again it's an argument in TCD's own head. It's like a fucking shit version of Fight Club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 So hoof the ball up the pitch every time you get it, and if you turn a small percentage of those aimless clearances into chances that's good Football? No of course not. Pardew-ball was shit and bad football. So far SMC-ball is aimless and also bad football. Good football = getting into attacking positions and creating chances. Yes at the moment it isn't good Football, again that's why I said "trying" to play not playing. At least it appears that's the aim, its an attempt to play good Football which currently isn't working. The shit we played under Pardew wasn't a failed attempt to play good stuff, it was a successful attempt to play utter shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I for one was amazed by the complete ignoring of the word trying. This is why I choose not to be lectured to by a college dropout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Tbh it's as simple as this - all NUFC fans thought we played good football under Keegan/Robson, and nobody would claim it was tika-taka stuff at all times. You're talking s****, again. We didn't pass it aimlessly though. That's my point. We were attacking teams. Both fast and direct teams- forward passes not long balls, although we weren't scared of getting the ball in behind a defence quickly. That's good football. ATTACKING. Creating chances. Moving the ball forward at pace. The most defensive side under those managers had Speed - Jenas in midfield. Gary Speed always wanted to make a forward pass, he was forward thinking. can i find Robert, Alan or Bellamy. Not incessantly back to Titus. http://gifyu.com/images/1bb778.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thank you for clarifying what good football is. Not one person wants passing for passing's sake when the team don't look comfortable with it, the movement off the ball needs to be right so we're getting ourselves into good positions and playing penetrative and effective football, rather than having to constantly play it around the back 4. Like you say, yet again it's an argument in TCD's own head. It's like a fucking shit version of Fight Club. Gonna run with this. A pass back procedure 25 yards from goal, the illusion of safety. Do you know why teams try to score goals? Goals win you games. In the event of watching a football match you cheer when you score you become euphoric...docile, you accept your fate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Basically Fergie's Man Utd is what I'd class as good football. Quick, incisive and getting crosses into the box, etc. Similarly Keegan and Robson for us. Alongside that, he knew how to mix it in Europe to get the results through more workman-like performances (utilisation of Ji-Sung Park). Wenger's Invicibles were of course the ideal, you need the talent to back it up though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Trying = attempting to push up as a team, attempting forward passes. We seem perfectly content doing the aimless stuff. Brothers Sideways in midfield isn't an attempt. Only playing 1 out and out striker at a time isn't trying. The only player from a central position that regularly tries to make things happen is Chancel saying eff it and running up the pitch himself. Deliberately playing slow football isn't trying. All i've seen thus far is a failed attempt at making us solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 In all seriousness, who are you raising this point to or arguing with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need or whether it's actually more about gegenpressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need or whether it's actually more about gegenpressing. Shuttlers imo. I remember a belter one when I went to Epcot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need or whether life's actually all about gegenpressing. Deep stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Re: Pardew. We wanted him out. We've won 4 games since he's left. We were always going to catch flack about it if it turned out this bad. Focus should've always been on Fat Boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Got rid of him, scored twice last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 In all seriousness, who are you raising this point to or arguing with? Anyone who think we've tried to play good football. I think he's been defensive minded from the start. That's the type of manager he is. Never a NUFC manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 In all seriousness, who are you raising this point to or arguing with? Anyone who think we've tried to play good football. I think he's been defensive minded from the start. That's the type of manager he is. Never a NUFC manager. I think we've set up to play decent football in a few games but it's not happened. There's been games where he seems to have been encouraging players to get higher up the pitch, full backs bomb forward, centre backs playing riskier balls out from the back - I can't imagine he's then telling his offensive players to stop playing forward passes. He even explicitly said last night that we're moving the ball too slowly up front and not taking enough risks. I think it's not happening because there's a platform there for players to take the easy option and that's what they're doing. Their mentality against West Ham is pretty indicative, IMO, Mbemba screaming for some of them to show themselves on 5/6 occasions and they all just stand around not wanting the responsibility. He's obviously not a massively attacking manager but I don't think he's wanting us to play like this, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Pardew has gone and praise the fucking lord, i don't care how bad it gets or what the results are now, whilst he was here it never looked like he was going anywhere and i couldn't have stuck around watching the slimey cunt ruin my club anymore. The fact he has now gone and we have another idiot in charge are completely seperate entities as no matter who it is they will never look like staying here forever like that arsehole did. Steve parish did us the greatest favour in modern history of this club. McClaren maybe shit but i think he'd either walk or get sacked which is something that would never have happened under that other fraudster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Pardew has gone and praise the fucking lord, i don't care how bad it gets or what the results are now, whilst he was here it never looked like he was going anywhere and i couldn't have stuck around watching the slimey cunt ruin my club anymore. The fact he has now gone and we have another idiot in charge are completely seperate entities as no matter who it is they will never look like staying here forever like that arsehole did. Steve parish did us the greatest favour in modern history of this club. McClaren maybe shit but i think he'd either walk or get sacked which is something that would never have happened under that other fraudster He walked, didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Pardew has gone and praise the f***ing lord, i don't care how bad it gets or what the results are now, whilst he was here it never looked like he was going anywhere and i couldn't have stuck around watching the slimey c*** ruin my club anymore. The fact he has now gone and we have another idiot in charge are completely seperate entities as no matter who it is they will never look like staying here forever like that arsehole did. Steve parish did us the greatest favour in modern history of this club. McClaren maybe s*** but i think he'd either walk or get sacked which is something that would never have happened under that other fraudster He walked, didn't he? I'm not sure I get your point, I'm saying unlike Pardew, I think McCaren would walk or get sacked, something that would never have happened under Pardew. Derby has nothing to do with the point I was making ? Ahh I think I see now after reading it again,contradicting myself? I meant walk as in resignation in doing the decent thing. He left because he was offered another job not because he was shit at the one he had here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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