AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's disgusting tbh. The abuse his victim has had. It could even scare rape victims from going to the police in the future, for fear they will get similar treatment to her. It's horrible, but it's not Evans' fault and it shouldn't really come into the discussion about what happens to him. It was instigated and encouraged by his friends and family, are we saying he bears no responsibility for that at all? I don't know how much he's involved TBH, I'm not aware of what his friends and family have done. He hasn't conducted himself perfectly, but I still believe when someone has served their time they should be able to resume their lives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's disgusting tbh. The abuse his victim has had. It could even scare rape victims from going to the police in the future, for fear they will get similar treatment to her. It's horrible, but it's not Evans' fault and it shouldn't really come into the discussion about what happens to him. It was instigated and encouraged by his friends and family, are we saying he bears no responsibility for that at all? I don't know how much he's involved TBH, I'm not aware of what his friends and family have done. He hasn't conducted himself perfectly, but I still believe when someone has served their time they should be able to resume their lives. They publicly identified the victim for starters: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/nov/05/ched-evans-rape-naming-woman Like I said, I would normally agree with you but the additional factors here have to be taken into account too I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 diven't pick up any blart doon big market son Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thought this was a canny read: http://www.newstatesman.com/helen-lewis/2015/01/if-ched-evans-gets-second-chance-his-victim-should-have-one-too I would normally tend towards saying you can move on once you've served your time, but his lack of remorse is a bit troubling. The ways his "supporters" have been hassling the victim is pretty nasty too. Are there any reports which actually say that she has been identified and harassed in real life by Evans or people in support of him (ie outside of facebook, twitter, etc). I read the quotes from her father saying she has had to move 5 times due to her location being revealed, but I've not seen anything specifically saying who has been doing the harassing. Are people just jumping to the conclusion that this is all down to Evans supporters? It just seems far more likely to me that any harassment may have come from the media itself once her location was known rather then a bunch of Ched Evans groupies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning_Linguist Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midstoon Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Read an article which had the closing line 'If all who'd done what Evans did were sent to jail then most football teams wouldn't be able to put out a full team each week, and a lot of nightclubs would be half empty each weekend. ' What was the publication, "Rapist's Weekly"?? Chortle. But seriously I bet it was in something like FHM or Maxim or Loaded (if they still exist) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Sounds like a yes to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Christ, more 'young people are all criminals!!' bullshit then. "Half empty" ffs absolute dire guff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The only lads there would be virgins man, wayyyyy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Sounds like a yes to me. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Nandos have withdrawn their support to Oldham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Chicken fried.... rape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Nandos have withdrawn their support to Oldham So have Verlin Rainwater Solutions... Lawl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Nandos have withdrawn their support to Oldham Did they describe it as a 'cheeky withdrawal'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Nandos have withdrawn their support to Oldham Dont like flesh on the bone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think Mr Evans should join Jedward and they should become Chedward. Then all 3 can morph into a Tyranacuntus Rex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So the family involved in the harassment of the victim are going to be paying his salary, paying for any lost sponsorship, and are mates with the Oldham chairman. So effectively these wicked people are buying his place in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So the family involved in the harassment of the victim are going to be paying his salary, paying for any lost sponsorship, and are mates with the Oldham chairman. So effectively these wicked people are buying his place in football. any different to someone buying a seat in an F1 car and displacing someone who has talent but no cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Didn't realise that about McCormick. Ugh. That's much worse than this. Generally agree with your post. Not of particular relevance to Evans himself but I can't stand this line of "he has to be allowed to work again and football is his job." Cool, we'll just let rapist police officers back into uniform when they get out in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Evans has never distanced himself from this "movement" supporting him, right? Football clubs are social institutions, they have no obligation to bring convicted criminals back into the establishment, they have a choice. If this was us, I'd prefer it if we didn't, especially in this particular case because of the nature of the crime and the criminal's behaviour in the aftermath. I feel this case is similar to Luke McCormick at Plymouth. Killed two children while drink-driving, now club captain. There are other ways back into society, I don't see why football clubs have to shoulder that responsibility. Didn't realise that about McCormick. Ugh. That's much worse than this. Generally agree with your post. Not of particular relevance to Evans himself but I can't stand this line of "he has to be allowed to work again and football is his job." Cool, we'll just let rapist police officers back into uniform when they get out in that case. Pretty sure a criminal record disqualifies you from police work (at least over here), so it's not the same. Anyway, clubs do have a choice, but that also means they can chose "yes" without being accused of doing something egregious. Once somebody is out of jail, his debt is paid. If there are issues about this particular guy not showing remorse or not having "learnt the lesson" fingers should be pointed at the sentence he was given (he only served half of it, two years and a half sounds a bit lenient if he indeed was proven guilty of rape), not to the football club that's choosing to employ him again once he's done the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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