Ched Evans - Not Guilty

[lovejoy]

what is the point of a re-trial? from a public interest perspective (i'm talking £ here).

 

He has served his time.

 

 

He's part of the public and I imagine clearing your name if you felt you were wrongly labelled as a rapist would be of pretty big interest to you.

 

Hasn't he just done that?

 

Sorry I'm not that clued up on this (at all).

[Guest Phillipealbert]

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

 

Erm.....

 

Those who have lied should get absolutely hammered. Crying rape is a life destroying crime and directly impacts real rape victims.

[BlueStar]

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

 

Erm.....

There's a difference between accusing someone of rape and them being found not guilty (which is different from innocent) and it being proven that the accusation was deliberately false and malicious.  Someone being found not guilty or freed on appeal because the case wasn't proven isn't grounds for prosecution of the complainant.

[tgarve]

Re trial means he won't play at Euro 16? Will he be able to sue for loss of wages if he wins the appeal??

[Hanshithispantz]

The new evidence will have been enough to have his conviction quashed but he needs to be re-trialed with that evidence in mind I assume. Sort of like a reverse charge, where you will be charged on evidence but then that evidence has to be taken to court for an outcome to be found.

[Teasy]

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

 

Erm.....

 

Right and if its proven beyond all reasonably doubt that someone lied in order to try to get someone put in prison of course they should be punished, rape cases in that respect should be no different to any other.  That's not the same as being punished simply for not proving their case though.

 

I mean are you saying people should get a completely free pass to accuse someone of a crime with no chance of any repercussions no matter how frivolous the claim?  That would obviously be wrong and go against the entire legal system.

[Wullie]

If he is found to be not guilty, this will discourage any lass from coming forward over similar allegations. She's had enough s*** from people already, even when he was guilty.

 

He's not guilty, and only will be if he gets found guilty.

 

Rapists are disgusting and deserve everything they get, but I hope you're aware that less than 10% of accused rapists are proven guilty in court. I'm not suggesting that means 90% are innocent, but it's clear that crying rape is a huge problem, for two reasons:

 

1. Innocent people are being accused of rape and having their lives destroyed.

 

2. Actual rape victims have to face the 'cry rape' stigma because of those who do 'cry rape'.

 

In my opinion, the penalty for crying rape needs stiffening (although I acknowledge that the majority of cases will end not-guilty both ways on lack of evidence).

 

The clear-up rate for burglaries is similar, about 10% as well. It's a real problem, all these people pretending they've been burgled. Throw away the key I say.

[Teasy]

You reckon nobody ever lies about being burgled then?

[Dokko]

He was just about to sign for Sunderland as well. Guess that move is dead now.

[Klaus]

He was just about to sign for Sunderland as well. Guess that move is dead now.

 

I don't want to imagine RTGs take on this matter

[Mattoon]

He was just about to sign for Sunderland as well. Guess that move is dead now.

 

I don't want to imagine RTGs take on this matter

 

She knew what she was doing marra

[Guest Hog]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away, we're not just talking about him losing out on a job at Tesco here. And the media/public witch-hunt needs addressing too - ruining people's lives over false allegations is terrible in the extreme. It could turn out that he ends up getting prosecuted after the retrial but if not his name has still been tarnished immensely and his loss of earnings and being banged up would require major compensation, let alone a lot of people eating humble pie and apologising (not that that would ever happen).

 

I get the feeling there's always a complete lack of quality in getting to the bottom of these sort of things and instead they just get chucked out amongst the baying mob, regardless of the facts of the cases. Public outrage over the idea of something seems to outweigh the actual getting to the crux of the matter and always overules any common sense being taken in to account.

 

 

[Wullie]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away

 

Who are you talking about here exactly?

[Guest Phillipealbert]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away

 

Who are you talking about here exactly?

 

I assume the Complaint and if proven, any co-conspiritants (is that a word? )

 

The braying mob weren't after putting him away, but extra-judicial punishment is wrong in the extreme amd needs addressing.

[Hanshithispantz]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away, we're not just talking about him losing out on a job at Tesco here. And the media/public witch-hunt needs addressing too - ruining people's lives over false allegations is terrible in the extreme. It could turn out that he ends up getting prosecuted after the retrial but if not his name has still been tarnished immensely and his loss of earnings and being banged up would require major compensation, let alone a lot of people eating humble pie and apologising (not that that would ever happen).

 

I get the feeling there's always a complete lack of quality in getting to the bottom of these sort of things and instead they just get chucked out amongst the baying mob, regardless of the facts of the cases. Public outrage over the idea of something seems to outweigh the actual getting to the crux of the matter and always overules any common sense being taken in to account.

 

 

He should have been put away though because he was found guilty

 

The problems came afterwards once he'd served his time, football fans deciding they hate sex offenses when it suits them forcing Oldham to withdraw their offer despite the wishes of them and their fans. Not much you can do about that though.

[Troll]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away

 

Who are you talking about here exactly?

 

I assume the Complaint and if proven, any co-conspiritants (is that a word? )

 

The braying mob weren't after putting him away, but extra-judicial punishment is wrong in the extreme amd needs addressing.

 

Co-conspirators!    What do you imagine happened, a secret meeting between people with the sole aim of getting Ched Evans sent down for a couple of years?

[Guest Phillipealbert]

A lot of this could be avoided purely by having anonymity for Defendants until conviction.

 

Absolutely 100% agree. It's an utter disgrace that innocent (until proven guilty) people have their lives ruined.

[Wullie]

A lot of this could be avoided purely by having anonymity for Defendants until conviction.

 

Absolutely 100% agree. It's an utter disgrace that innocent (until proven guilty) people have their lives ruined.

 

Wouldn't have helped Ched Evans much.

[Guest Phillipealbert]

if he wins his re-trial, and looking at the balance of evidence, suspect he likely will, I can see him aggressively pushing for counter charges against her, as well as some action against his former club, the ring leaders of that petition, Jessica Ennis, etc. Nothing like a couple of years in nick and the loss of your career to get your back up slightly.

 

Could get incredibly messy.

 

I'd hope if the future allegations weren't proven then he'd have serious claims against all those that conspired to put him away

 

Who are you talking about here exactly?

 

I assume the Complaint and if proven, any co-conspiritants (is that a word? )

 

The braying mob weren't after putting him away, but extra-judicial punishment is wrong in the extreme amd needs addressing.

 

Co-conspirators!    What do you imagine happened, a secret meeting between people with the sole aim of getting Ched Evans sent down for a couple of years?

 

I didn't say that. IF it turns out there was encouragement from someone else (I haven't seen this new evidence yet) then this may lead to something else.

 

It was a suggestion, you tit.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Phillipealbert seems to have a bit of a problem with women, like. Wreaking lingering resentment in most posts. Not all, but those posts that are not are tranished by those that do and it's not fair on the posts that aren't entirely sweeping statements.

 

Crying rape, ffs. Have a word with yourself.

[Klaus]

On his rag.

[SEMTEX]

he gon get paid

[Thomson Mouse]

Phillipealbert seems to have a bit of a problem with women, like. Wreaking lingering resentment in most posts. Not all, but those posts that are not are tranished by those that do and it's not fair on the posts that aren't entirely sweeping statements.

 

Crying rape, ffs. Have a word with yourself.

 

Noodles is Noodles.

 

His views on most things are pretty disgusting

[Thomson Mouse]

If he is found to be not guilty, this will discourage any lass from coming forward over similar allegations. She's had enough s*** from people already, even when he was guilty.

 

He's not guilty, and only will be if he gets found guilty.

 

Rapists are disgusting and deserve everything they get, but I hope you're aware that less than 10% of accused rapists are proven guilty in court. I'm not suggesting that means 90% are innocent, but it's clear that crying rape is a huge problem, for two reasons:

 

1. Innocent people are being accused of rape and having their lives destroyed.

 

2. Actual rape victims have to face the 'cry rape' stigma because of those who do 'cry rape'.

 

In my opinion, the penalty for crying rape needs stiffening (although I acknowledge that the majority of cases will end not-guilty both ways on lack of evidence).

 

The clear-up rate for burglaries is similar, about 10% as well. It's a real problem, all these people pretending they've been burgled. Throw away the key I say.

 

[BlueStar]

In terms of repercussions from false allegations, I don't think the allegations came from the alleged victim in the first place, did they? Might be wrong, but I thought she reported that she woke up semi-naked in a puddle of urine, the police investigated and found evidence like the text messages and CCTV. Based on what they uncovered during the investigation, it was the police that made an allegation of rape and decided to prosecute.