Leicester City 1-0 Newcastle United (FT) - Post Match Reaction from Page 18

[Fugazi]

I hope to fucking god everyone's a few bottles deep here like

 

You perverted bastard.

[ujpest doza]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a shit where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

The difference being that regional differences, beit locally, nationally or internationally are a real thing, as are issues with race, gender, sexual preference. As far as I'm aware, there's no ongoing problem between blondes, gingers, tall people, short people, fat people and skinny people. Yet a geographical difference seems to be relevant enough to be a chant but to also be put forward as a legitimate reason for disliking someone. I'm yet to hear anyone suggest that we wanted Pardew out because he's grey, or old, or average height. Yet I've heard it time and time again about him being Southern. I wonder why.

Dunno like, I'm tall and I hate skinny birds.

 

[Heron]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

The difference being that regional differences, beit locally, nationally or internationally are a real thing, as are issues with race, gender, sexual preference. As far as I'm aware, there's no ongoing problem between blondes, gingers, tall people, short people, fat people and skinny people. Yet a geographical difference seems to be relevant enough to be a chant but to also be put forward as a legitimate reason for disliking someone. I'm yet to hear anyone suggest that we wanted Pardew out because he's grey, or old, or average height. Yet I've heard it time and time again about him being Southern. I wonder why.

 

You may have done, but not from me. 

[mickthemagpie]

Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway?

 

Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway?

 

It's derogatory when sandwiched between with 'fat' and 'b******'.

 

Aye but at least one of those two things is true. Not sure if he's medically fat like.

 

Medically fat.

 

MEDICALLY.

 

 

Aye, and black people are black, that's a fact. As Hans pointed out though it's a different context if it's sandwiched between 'fat' and 'b******' though, isn't it?

 

Introduce race to try and take the moral high ground. Pathetic.

 

I could introduce anything else mate, it's another example of something out of his control, that's the entire point. You put something in the middle of 'fat' and 'b******' and it's obviously meant as an insult, it shouldn't need to be explained.

 

Of course its an insult and i have at no point suggested otherwise. We are in agreement on this at least.

 

So you're asking how Cockney is a derogatory term, but then you also see that it's an insult?

 

Whaaa?

 

Cockneys don't think its a derogatory word but i bet they would agree that that chant is insulting. Its probably time to agree to differ.

[Kaizero]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a shit where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is shit even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish bastard, get out of our club."

 

[mickthemagpie]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

[Vinny Green Balls]

Jesus Christ. You know things have really taken a turn for the worse when I miss reading posts about this abortion of a game

[Superior Acuña]

The shitness of some in this thread is making up for me missing the match.

[Kaizero]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

[ujpest doza]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

[Kaizero]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

 

"Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway?

 

Since when did 'Cockney' become a derogatory term anyway?

 

It's derogatory when sandwiched between with 'fat' and 'b******'.

 

Aye but at least one of those two things is true. Not sure if he's medically fat like.

 

Medically fat.

 

MEDICALLY.

 

 

Aye, and black people are black, that's a fact. As Hans pointed out though it's a different context if it's sandwiched between 'fat' and 'b******' though, isn't it?

 

Introduce race to try and take the moral high ground. Pathetic.

 

I could introduce anything else mate, it's another example of something out of his control, that's the entire point. You put something in the middle of 'fat' and 'b******' and it's obviously meant as an insult, it shouldn't need to be explained.

 

Of course its an insult and i have at no point suggested otherwise. We are in agreement on this at least.

 

So you're asking how Cockney is a derogatory term, but then you also see that it's an insult?

 

Whaaa?

 

Cockneys don't think its a derogatory word but i bet they would agree that that chant is insulting. Its probably time to agree to differ.

No, I get what you're saying there.

[ujpest doza]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

 

"Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

It's an issue with me mind.

 

[Heron]

Calm doon tubby.

[Kaizero]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

 

"Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

It's an issue with me mind.

 

 

Then join weightwatchers.

[ujpest doza]

Calm doon tubby.

Who you calling tubby like?

 

I'll put your bait up anytime you skinny twat!

[ujpest doza]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

 

"Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

It's an issue with me mind.

 

 

Then join weightwatchers.

quality.

[Big Geordie]

Have thoroughly enjoyed my afternoon at Blyth, watching a club with ambition, having a real go against a side 6 leagues above them. Wasn't to be for Blyth but they have it their best shot. Puts all at newcastle United to shame. I feel for the 5000 that went down. Piss ripped out of you's again. Still though - Ashley will be happy and I bet carver has just bagged himself the managers job.

[Kaizero]

"You person from London, we do not like you."

 

Proper venomous that like.

 

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like.

 

I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does.

 

It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are.

 

I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype.

 

Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point)

 

Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***?

Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them.

 

Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person.

 

Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason.

 

You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long.

 

And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around.

 

Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better.

 

That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him.

 

You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts.

 

The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth.

 

I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing.

 

Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie.

 

If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***.

 

And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur.

 

It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it.

 

See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical.

 

Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!?

 

It's so undermining.

 

As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from.

 

I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people.

 

Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you.

 

Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that.

 

It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world.

 

Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance.

 

"You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club."

 

 

You really think that's the same level of ignorance?

 

It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control.

 

 

"Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

It's an issue with me mind.

 

 

Then join weightwatchers.

quality.

 

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[Heron]

Calm doon tubby.

Who you calling tubby like?

 

I'll put your bait up anytime you skinny t***!

 

 

Nowt wrong with enjoying your scran mate. Nowt at all. Working on it mesel...

[Holloway]

it`s tribalism,much of it goes too far but it`s deep rooted in this countries football clubs. I find most of the chanting moronic and humourless from our lot,but there`s the odd tickler

[jimmymag]

Oh great, the 'Fat Cockney b******' song is back.

 

What else can they sing?

 

Something that doesn't perpetuate the idea that we don't accept southerners? It's f***ing embarrassing, I absolutely despise it.

 

its just this particular southerner man.

 

 

 

Aye, that'll be why 'cockney' is being used alongside 'fat' and 'b******'...don't be daft man. You don't 'call' someone a cockney unless you think it's a derogatory term and you don't think it's a derogatory term unless you have a problem with cockneys.

 

Him being a southerner should have NOTHING to do with it and it has nothing to do with it for most people.

 

We'd sing the same if he was Scouse "You fat scouse b******" who gives a s***. Alan Shear gets "Sad Geordie b******" from ManUre. That has f*** all to do with him being a Geordie.

 

Nah, that's utter bullshit, sorry. And I and quite a few others give a s*** when it's damaging to our club because it feeds the idea that we 'only want a Geordie' and 'don't accept southerners'

 

It's braindead.

 

Advocating making football chants politically correct and getting upset when they aren't, that's "braindead".

 

It's entirely short-sighted. Dunno why that's so difficult to understand.

 

Perhaps you can write a thesis on the subject and then get the average NUFC fan to read it. Perhaps that'll change their behaviour.

[Mistle17]

Change the chant to 'you fat greedy bastard' and then fucking move on.

[Wullie]

Some folk on Twitter lamenting today's injuries, adamant they must be genuine.

[cp40]

Some folk on Twitter lamenting today's injuries, adamant they must be genuine.

 

well as long as theres about 48k believers , thats next season sewn up.