AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 I think it’s fair to say that he was never picked because he was tactically brilliant. He was a professional and acceptable face to a complete rebrand of English football… turning it from a toxic and impossible job to a team of technically gifted young players. He hit on this conservative style because teams often win tournaments playing like that. Not sure what my main point is, but comparing him to top PL managers is not very useful. We all know he’s never been that guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, joeyt said: Someone on BBC text was suggesting Bielsa for the England job earlier Worth it for the fewm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Anyway, back to watching the highlights of JYBs 136 from 92 for the tenth time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, 54 said: Anyway, back to watching the highlights of JYBs 136 from 92 for the tenth time. The only England team I support tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: The thing is though, simply having the best players doesn’t mean anyone can manage them. Managers fuck up all the time with great groups of players, some of our previous England teams were insanely good. A peak Ashley Cole, peak John Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney. And they were garbage. He also has to manage these young players, and they are young. I never thought the likes of Terry or Lampard were top rank international class players - what they lacked was covered up at club level by playing with outstanding footballers. They were exposed at international level for their basic technical failings. Christ, the whole ‘Lampard and Gerrard can’t play together’ thing was treated like a tactical conundrum …. Calling for Southgate’s job is crackers to me - it’s hard to argue that he hasn’t done a decent job, and as you say the idea that anyone can just step in - not sure about that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Get beg Terry Butcher in, that’s who. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think it’s fair to say that he was never picked because he was tactically brilliant. He was a professional and acceptable face to a complete rebrand of English football… turning it from a toxic and impossible job to a team of technically gifted young players. He hit on this conservative style because teams often win tournaments playing like that. Not sure what my main point is, but comparing him to top PL managers is not very useful. We all know he’s never been that guy. Well put He's a figurehead of a setup, like I said a few days ago he is like a cricket captain. Essentially a nice guy but most of the big decisions are (probably) out of his hands and those that hes responsible for hes getting wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, CFlan said: Get beg Terry Butcher in, that’s who. Bally for me marra! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: 16 minutes ago, ManDoon said: He should absolutely get this tournament like. If we underperform then fine, but he’s earned it. I swear people have forgotten how toxic the job was previously. What would be underperforming? As we’re pretty much always guaranteed a bye into the KOs. @ManDoon? Must have missed this one too. Edited June 14, 2022 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: Lampard was definitely international class and so was Terry. Hiddink and Mou absolutely loved both of them, I vehemently don’t like either of them as people but they were undeniably international class players. Filled the ‘English quota’ for me. Lampard was brilliant at one thing. We’ll have to agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Southgate is a fraud. He hasn't passed the eye test for ages but because you had a favourable run of opponents in the last two tournaments he's immune to any criticism to some. You constantly play for a 1-0 win and the margin for error becomes tiny. Hilarious that the main reason people want to keep him is that 'we are not a laughing stock anymore' with this squad of players. Also the 'there's no one better' and then you take a peek at Southgate's managerial career so far. It's too late for a change now but I don't see this team doing anything at the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Sean said: Whether you want him sacked or not (I really don't give a fuck either way as I don't care), it's undeniable he had easy runs to the SF/Final, which seems to be the main defence of him. I don't think there would be a rush of top clubs approaching him at all. Absolutely agree. He'd be lucky to get a job at a mid table side and he would be going above and beyond his capabilities to keep them there. He's managed one club in Middlesbrough - another job he was promoted from within to do - and managed to get them relegated. He's a PFM with a friendly face and a thinner wasteline. Edited June 14, 2022 by toon25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Hadn’t realized we got a bye to the KOs that’s great, what a weight of the nations shoulders. Thank god. With that news, a disappointing QF exit against a poor side would be. Okay. So the ‘minimum bar’ will be a SF/Final appearance. Let’s see how that goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney will get the gig after Southgate is binned I'm convinced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Anyone else find it disrespectful to the extreme all these manager names are being bounced around, yet no one has mentioned Steve Bruce? #MadDisrespect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Southgate missing Jones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, toon25 said: Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney will get the gig after Southgate is binned I'm convinced. Wow. That’s depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 This England squad is overrated by some. We're stacked in wide positions, but we lack quality at central defence and players who can control the game in the centre of the park. I've aways been a sceptic of Southgate's tactical ability. He's always susceptible to have his pants pulled down by a better footballing mind. However I think his approach is very much aimed at protecting our soft spots in the middle of the park. Hence the insistence on the Rice-Phillips double pivot. You can't underplay what he's achieved. Off the field he's united players, fans and media for the first time in decades and conducts himself in a professional fashion. On the field he's taken us to our best consecutive tournament finishes, something others have failed to achieve with far better squads The way I see it he's built a fantastic platform and he's earned a shot at the next world cup. Even if we don't win, we're in a brilliant position for someone to come in and build on, something that I never thought I'd be saying looking at the state we were in when he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 Tbf Southgate has done a great job in changing the image of the team/country and I don't think it would be seen as a toxic job anymore. He had two great chances to go all the way and ultimately failed, I thought you should have gotten a real manager in after the Euros to have a real shot at the WC with the nice squad you now have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, toon25 said: Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney will get the gig after Southgate is binned I'm convinced. Rooney would be alright I think. The other two wouldn't be! With everything happening at Derby he was pretty impressive. Would certainly get some fight into the players if nothing else. Would need an extremely strong coaching team around him for it to work though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 dgaf about Nations League so haven't watched any of it but...yikes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, The Prophet said: This England squad is overrated by some. We're stacked in wide positions, but we lack quality at central defence and players who can control the game in the centre of the park. I've aways been a sceptic of Southgate's tactical ability. He's always susceptible to have his pants pulled down by a better footballing mind. However I think his approach is very much aimed at protecting our soft spots in the middle of the park. Hence the insistence on the Rice-Phillips double pivot. You can't underplay what he's achieved. Off the field he's united players, fans and media for the first time in decades and conducts himself in a professional fashion. On the field he's taken us to our best consecutive tournament finishes, something others have failed to achieve with far better squads The way I see it he's built a fantastic platform and he's earned a shot at the next world cup. Even if we don't win, we're in a brilliant position for someone to come in and build on, something that I never thought I'd be saying looking at the state we were in when he arrived. Bang on this. I think he deserves massive credit for ensuring these lads have grown into good young professionals who by and large act respectfully and understand what it means to play for their country. Something the last bunch didn't seem to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, Heron said: Bang on this. I think he deserves massive credit for ensuring these lads have grown into good young professionals who by and large act respectfully and understand what it means to play for their country. Something the last bunch didn't seem to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pata said: Good point that Pata. Southgate should be reinforcing the point not to sexually assault anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Heron said: Bang on this. I think he deserves massive credit for ensuring these lads have grown into good young professionals who by and large act respectfully and understand what it means to play for their country. Something the last bunch didn't seem to have. Seriously speaking, this is something he should be applauded for but I also think he's just not good enough tactically to take that last step and you are wasting this tournament when Kane is still in his prime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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