Altamullan Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 How many flipping strikers did England have on at the end? 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Rooney would still be in mine up front Instead of Kane and/or Vardy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 How many flipping strikers did England have on at the end? 4? Classic PFM approach. Set the team up too poorly to create any kind of decent chances or threat to the opposition, and then seek to rectify it by throwing on all the strikers. Leading to an almighty mess on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Very hard to play against 11 defenders TBF, it's never going to be pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Even the commentators keep going on about the manager going to two upfront earlier, as if that solves all the problems when the team looks completely useless at using the ball well enough to create chances. Such an irritating mindset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Rooney would still be in mine up front Instead of Kane and/or Vardy? Neither, Defoe Sturridge/Welbeck if you're going on forwards alone but our squad is so poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Was funny to see though. The two goals I saw were assisted by strikers but not in usual way. Vardy tackles back and lays off the ball to Kane. Who floats in a lovely teasing ball from quite deep for Welbeck. Similar happened a minute earlier with Rashford deep in own half playing out to Kane in the right wing position who knocked a lovely ball to the far post where Vardy and Welbeck both just missed it. The last goal was a ball from Rashford (near the centre circle) forwards towards the penalty spot. Kane controls and nets a half-volley. Perhaps we should give the four striker thing a whirl. Oh wait, we don't have four available... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Rooney would still be in mine up front Consistency of this lads brand is superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsted Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 So disillusioned with the national squad at the moment, just a hunch of overpaid headless chicken primadonna millionaires. Watching them play bores me to tears, missed last night's game due to playing PS4 and completely forgot about, that never used to happen. Don't give a s*** who is manager tbf, another wasted generation. England has been on the decline since 1996. Your closing statement sums it up. Not disillusioned at the moment it's been nearly 20 years since players have looked interested and inspired me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Going to have to say it. Qualification for the final of international tournaments in Europe have to be tougher. You get teams like us who will easily qualify because we are seeded into a group of nations that have no footballing talent, yet once we get to the finals we are clearly shown up to be no good time and time again. South America aside, every other continent has multiple qualifying rounds, and in South America everyone plays each other twice. I think UEFA could do with having a 1st knockout round of the lowest ranked teams against each other, then everyone in a 2nd knockout round, then smaller groups where the quality should be more evenly matched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I love South America's format of it just being a league. Its brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Would have been a close run group had Scotland held out after Griffiths second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Going to have to say it. Qualification for the final of international tournaments in Europe have to be tougher. You get teams like us who will easily qualify because we are seeded into a group of nations that have no footballing talent, yet once we get to the finals we are clearly shown up to be no good time and time again. South America aside, every other continent has multiple qualifying rounds, and in South America everyone plays each other twice. I think UEFA could do with having a 1st knockout round of the lowest ranked teams against each other, then everyone in a 2nd knockout round, then smaller groups where the quality should be more evenly matched. European qualifying is just fine. The same debate always happens whenever England win a game, it's as if we're not allowed to play at the World Cup unless we beat Spain, Germany, France and Italy. We happened to get an easy group this time thanks to the draw, but we could have easily been drawn with Italy or France. And anyway, there's no real way to make it easier when 13 European teams qualify. If we have your smaller, more evenly matched groups, we'd still be in exactly the same sort of group we're in now - just without Malta and Lithuania and we'd still qualify easily and nobody would be satisfied...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impossibly Daft Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Going to have to say it. Qualification for the final of international tournaments in Europe have to be tougher. You get teams like us who will easily qualify because we are seeded into a group of nations that have no footballing talent, yet once we get to the finals we are clearly shown up to be no good time and time again. South America aside, every other continent has multiple qualifying rounds, and in South America everyone plays each other twice. I think UEFA could do with having a 1st knockout round of the lowest ranked teams against each other, then everyone in a 2nd knockout round, then smaller groups where the quality should be more evenly matched. If they broke it down into two smaller group-stages then instead of breezing through a weak group, it'd be breezing through a weak first-round group, then stumbling through in second place in the second round group? Doesn't make much difference, does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-friendlies-are-hurting-englands-world-cup-hopes-d7rt5gdzw?shareToken=3f7702dc98bcb07e1c52feeb314a37be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Going to have to say it. Qualification for the final of international tournaments in Europe have to be tougher. You get teams like us who will easily qualify because we are seeded into a group of nations that have no footballing talent, yet once we get to the finals we are clearly shown up to be no good time and time again. South America aside, every other continent has multiple qualifying rounds, and in South America everyone plays each other twice. I think UEFA could do with having a 1st knockout round of the lowest ranked teams against each other, then everyone in a 2nd knockout round, then smaller groups where the quality should be more evenly matched. European qualifying is just fine. The same debate always happens whenever England win a game, it's as if we're not allowed to play at the World Cup unless we beat Spain, Germany, France and Italy. We happened to get an easy group this time thanks to the draw, but we could have easily been drawn with Italy or France. And anyway, there's no real way to make it easier when 13 European teams qualify. If we have your smaller, more evenly matched groups, we'd still be in exactly the same sort of group we're in now - just without Malta and Lithuania and we'd still qualify easily and nobody would be satisfied...! What teams have England beaten in the last... 3 world cups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-friendlies-are-hurting-englands-world-cup-hopes-d7rt5gdzw?shareToken=3f7702dc98bcb07e1c52feeb314a37be Just been reading this, was quite interesting. FIFA need to change the algorithm, otherwise everyone will cotton on and refuse to play friendlies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Butland Keane - Smalling - Cahill Walker - Dier - Henderson - Rose Alli - Lallana Kane 3 at the back suits the players we currently have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Butland Keane - Smalling - Cahill Walker - Dier - Henderson - Rose Alli - Lallana Kane 3 at the back suits the players we currently have. with the instruction 'Do what most of you do at Spurs' . Sterling for Lallana when more pace is needed as well. Dier/Henderson is seriously lacking in any drive, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 If Henderson is the best we have to offer in central midfield I'm getting my boots back out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Going to have to say it. Qualification for the final of international tournaments in Europe have to be tougher. You get teams like us who will easily qualify because we are seeded into a group of nations that have no footballing talent, yet once we get to the finals we are clearly shown up to be no good time and time again. South America aside, every other continent has multiple qualifying rounds, and in South America everyone plays each other twice. I think UEFA could do with having a 1st knockout round of the lowest ranked teams against each other, then everyone in a 2nd knockout round, then smaller groups where the quality should be more evenly matched. Nope. UEFA qualifying is a very good system. The seeded nature of groups is perfect for international football, as it allows weaker teams the opportunity to play a number games against a variety of different quality nations. This is perfect for allowing smaller nations to gradually improve, build teams and progress. The alternative systems of pre-qualifying that exist in Asia and North America are terrible for the weaker countries. They are weeded out of qualifying almost immediately, and then don't play another game of note for 4 years. They have no chance to play games and improve, and it even discourages their best players from turning up to play, or switching if they are dual-nationals. Nahki Wells has been a Bermuda international for a decade and he has 9 caps. Unfortunately for Asia, CONCACAF and Oceania having a system like UEFA does is not practical because of the travelling costs for what are often tiny Football Associations with next to no funding. UEFA has no such problem as its geography is suitable, and its small nations are wealthy with well funded FAs. Hence you have a very competitive continent where even a country of 300,000 like Iceland can go from losing 6-0 to England in 2004 to dumping them out of a major tournament 12 years later. People get annoyed and bring this up every time San Marino or Gibraltar get pumped, as if these games are the most common results. It's not the case, and just because some games are boring for viewers it does not mean the whole thing needs ripping apart. Removing minnows would contribute nothing other than to remove 1 fixture a year for pampered top players to play - and potentially be embarrassed like France were yesterday. A fixture which would then probably be replaced by an even more pointless money-spinning friendly vs Brazil in Qatar or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 If Henderson is the best we have to offer in central midfield I'm getting my boots back out. Do you see much of Liverpool? He does his job very well tbh, it's that him and Dier together don't have what it takes going forward. Dier doesn't have Dembele, Henderson doesn't have Can. Putting them together is going to make both of them look crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 No matter how good I've seen Henderson play, I just can't rate him that highly. There's an honesty and efficiency to his game that is very impressive mind. The type to be far more effective than he is talented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 What would people say is the best 11 for England as it stands? Butland Keane - Smalling - Cahill Walker - Dier - Henderson - Rose Alli - Lallana Kane 3 at the back suits the players we currently have. with the instruction 'Do what most of you do at Spurs' . Sterling for Lallana when more pace is needed as well. Dier/Henderson is seriously lacking in any drive, mind. Got Rashford who can play that role too. It's not great but at least all the players are in the correct positions which is a start for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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