England

[Magpie]

Over the moon

[Gaztoon]

Not eddie howe that's all I'm bothered about.

[Geordie_once_removed]

From a purely Man United hating point of view this is good news. Ten Hag clings on to the job a bit longer as Tuchel isn't available anymore. Man U give him another transfer window to sign his former players for inflated fees and on inflated wages. Then Leeds dump them out of the 4th round of the FA Cup and he finally gets sacked and they bring in Southgate. 🤞🤞🤞🤞

[Wullie]

Seems a rather bizarre throwback to me from the FA. I thought we'd got past having to go foreign because our coaching pool was so poor. I think it's disappointing.

[joeyt]

Do we reckon if Carsley didn't fuck up that Greece game so badly he'd have got the job?

 

Or do you think it was always the plan to get a more established high profile manager

[Coffee_Johnny]

3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Do we reckon if Carsley didn't fuck up that Greece game so badly he'd have got the job?

 

Or do you think it was always the plan to get a more established high profile manager

Latter. 

[54]

9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Do we reckon if Carsley didn't fuck up that Greece game so badly he'd have got the job?

 

Or do you think it was always the plan to get a more established high profile manager

In the press release it was mentioned that Tuchel signed the contract on the 8th, but the announcement was delayed until now so it didn't interfere with this week's games.

[Joelinton7]

18 months says “win us the World Cup”.  Then Pep takes over (in my dreams).

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Let’s hope it was planned and not a complete change in strategy. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Joelinton7 said:

18 months says “win us the World Cup”.  Then Pep takes over (in my dreams).

I mean, it doesn’t really matter what happens after we win the World Cup

[ponsaelius]

Seems an almost certain car crash appointment to me. How often do these high profile, short term, foreign managers work for any national team? Throw in his track record as an abrasive character and I can see another Capello situation personally.

 

Obviously we're limited with our coaching pool compared to other countries but I feel the one job where promotion from within the system generally works well is the international game.

[joeyt]

1 minute ago, ponsaelius said:

Obviously we're limited with our coaching pool compared to other countries but I feel the one job where promotion from within the system generally works well is the international game.

 

I guess that's the issue though,  why are we limited with our coaching pool compared to other countries?

 

Is it because we import a lot more managers in our top two divisions than most other countries?

[samptime29]

I don't mind this. Very good coach and the 18 month length is fine. If it works, he will clearly re-sign for longer.

[GeordieDazzler]

He’s one of the few guys that could have saved Man United’s season so happy he’s got a new gig

[TRon]

20 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said:

18 months says “win us the World Cup”.  Then Pep takes over (in my dreams).

 

I think that's the logic behind this. If we don't win the world cup then it will be back to the English manager drawing board, which in my view is where the long term plan should be.

[joeyt]

I'm not really sure I buy the idea that the likes of Pep and Klopp and Howe are the right fit for international management. 

 

Their success is all about imprinting their philosophy relentlessly on the training ground so I'm not sure how they're going to do that in international management when they'll only see the players for a few days every couple of months 

[Ed210]

51 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Do we reckon if Carsley didn't fuck up that Greece game so badly he'd have got the job?

 

Or do you think it was always the plan to get a more established high profile manager

signed the deal on 8th October apparently and the Greece game was on the 10th

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I'm not really sure I buy the idea that the likes of Pep and Klopp and Howe are the right fit for international management. 

 

Their success is all about imprinting their philosophy relentlessly on the training ground so I'm not sure how they're going to do that in international management when they'll only see the players for a few days every couple of months 

They’re not, except if they’re done with club management and want something with better work/life balance. Klopp would’ve been worth a go IMO, albeit maybe too big a personality for the FA. 

[Conjo]

Hope for your sake that he'll take a hail mary approach and focus on playing to the players creative and attacking strengths rather than taking the safety first approach from Southgate. You may not get better results, but at least it'll be worth watching.

[Disco]

2 hours ago, Magpie said:

The absolute fucking state of the Mail's back page man 😫

 

Got to get those rage clicks

 

[LiquidAK]

Don't have a particularly strong reaction to this either way. No issue with having a foreign coach, can see the arguments for both promoting from within and for getting in a proven tactician. Excited to see how this plays out 

[gbandit]

Couldn’t give a fuck really. Just pleased it’s not Eddie. I actually think it’s a decent appointment in terms of a manager who has a very clear way of playing and one who tends to get quick results in the short-term but whether it works or not I don’t really care an enormous amount 

[Disco]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

I guess that's the issue though,  why are we limited with our coaching pool compared to other countries?

 

Is it because we import a lot more managers in our top two divisions than most other countries?

Costs to do your badges here are, unsurprisingly, more expensive than elsewhere IIRC which I’m guessing doesn’t help. 

[54]

While I get the idea behind the "Managers should come from the nation they're from" rhetoric, if FIFA ever implemented such a rule, it would screw over the majority of smaller nations that may not have the structure to create International worthy managers. You know, like Ireland. 

 

Also when people talk about the topic, especially in this country, it comes across as nationalist/brexit as fuck, which is pure  

[Yorkie]

 

Think Neville has nailed it here tbh. We've appointed the best available coach at the expense of continuing the commitment towards our own coaches. If Carsley was the best available coach from this nation, and wasn't up to it, then it looks like we're back to soul-searching a wee bit, following the unmitigated success of the St George's Park era so far. 

 

I'm surprised by the appointment because I assumed they'd give Carsley a fair crack, following ours and Spain's example with Southgate and De La Fuente. That we've gone foreign is an even bigger surprise and makes you wonder what the craic is with Potter. Lampard obviously not up to it either. 

 

On the other hand, when you consider the strength of the squad and given how close we are to actually lifting a trophy, it makes sense to pair these players with the best possible coach right now. We're on the precipice; maybe we can justifiably park the long-term project for one tournament?