Sho Time Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Rafa picks Colback. Sometimes even the best managers have lapses in judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've gone full circle on Henderson like, I actually think he's criminally underrated these days. One thing I'll give him huge credit for is the change in his mentality. When he played for Sunderland I always thought he hid a lot and the derbies around that time he completely froze. I never had him down as captain material for a club, never mind England, so fair play to him as he's clearly put a lot of effort into improving those aspects of his game. He's definitely a good player to have around the squad. cracking observation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Rafa picks Colback. Sometimes even the best managers have lapses in judgement. I'd have serious worries if he'd picked him as our club captain and played him in every game as Klopp does with Henderson though. Besides, the point is that Henderson's a good player , Colback doesn't fit into that category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've gone full circle on Henderson like, I actually think he's criminally underrated these days. Back where you've started? He's the CM James Milner. Maximised potential through graft. Good enough at a lot of things and mentally smart enough and willing to adapt as necessary. Technically better than you expect but fundamentally not a "top" player. Great in the dressing room. Liverpool & England captain says more about the options than it does about him as a player and a leader though. This. Frankly it's an embarrassment. England captain, maybe, but not Liverpool captain. Liverpool play some brilliant stuff and will be looking for a Champions League place at least this season, Klopp likes him and Klopp's obviously no fool. Everyone slags him off, but if you actually watch him, his positioning is brilliant and he plays a lot of nice stuff, along with the simple stuff that you associate with someone like him or Milner. If he could finish I think he'd be rated a lot higher because whenever I watch Liverpool he misses a lot of chances having got into good positions. You look at Liverpool captains over the last 40 years, ability/leadership wise he would rank among the lowest at the moment. Better than Redknapp & Hyypia perhaps. Gerrard, Ince, Rush, Barnes, Hansen, Souness he is not. Thank you once again for your completely unneeded insight. Like I said, Klopp. I'm not saying he's s*** and shouldn't be in the team. I'm not even saying he shouldn't be captain. But in comparison to previous Liverpool captains, he would rank in the bottom half. Even since they last won the title. They have a decent shot of winning the league, I don't think the team is individually as good as the one that finished second under Rafa. And he's not as good as Masch, Alonso or Gerrard. It's not to slag Henderson off - he's a good player. But I rate him at a level below those guys which is evidently good enough to be captain for Liverpool & England - I genuinely can't think of an alternative either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Dummett has been his #1 choice LB since he arrived. Didn't attempt to genuinely upgrade him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Dummett has been his #1 choice LB since he arrived. Didn't attempt to genuinely upgrade him either. I'm pretty sure that he did, just that person hasn't settled yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Dummett has been his #1 choice LB since he arrived. Didn't attempt to genuinely upgrade him either. Debatable, he signed Lazaar and we also have Haidara to come back. Anyway, that's not really relevant since Dummett can defend a bit but Colback is completely useless in every aspect of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've gone full circle on Henderson like, I actually think he's criminally underrated these days. Back where you've started? He's the CM James Milner. Maximised potential through graft. Good enough at a lot of things and mentally smart enough and willing to adapt as necessary. Technically better than you expect but fundamentally not a "top" player. Great in the dressing room. Liverpool & England captain says more about the options than it does about him as a player and a leader though. This. Frankly it's an embarrassment. England captain, maybe, but not Liverpool captain. Liverpool play some brilliant stuff and will be looking for a Champions League place at least this season, Klopp likes him and Klopp's obviously no fool. Everyone slags him off, but if you actually watch him, his positioning is brilliant and he plays a lot of nice stuff, along with the simple stuff that you associate with someone like him or Milner. If he could finish I think he'd be rated a lot higher because whenever I watch Liverpool he misses a lot of chances having got into good positions. You look at Liverpool captains over the last 40 years, ability/leadership wise he would rank among the lowest at the moment. Better than Redknapp & Hyypia perhaps. Gerrard, Ince, Rush, Barnes, Hansen, Souness he is not. Thank you once again for your completely unneeded insight. Like I said, Klopp. I'm not saying he's s*** and shouldn't be in the team. I'm not even saying he shouldn't be captain. But in comparison to previous Liverpool captains, he would rank in the bottom half. Even since they last won the title. They have a decent shot of winning the league, I don't think the team is individually as good as the one that finished second under Rafa. And he's not as good as Masch, Alonso or Gerrard. It's not to slag Henderson off - he's a good player. But I rate him at a level below those guys which is evidently good enough to be captain for Liverpool & England - I genuinely can't think of an alternative either. No one mentioned him being better or on par with those players though, nor would anyone. That's why it was an unneeded point. I said he was underrated, I didn't say he's Messi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Dummett has been his #1 choice LB since he arrived. Didn't attempt to genuinely upgrade him either. I'm pretty sure that he did, just that person hasn't settled yet. It's quite clear that our first choice was that Everton lad that went to West Brom or something. Hard to say what's going on with Lazaar like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Lad on the left looks like he eats cardboard. Fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Colback is playing because Rafa likes rotation, that's all. Dummett has been his #1 choice LB since he arrived. Didn't attempt to genuinely upgrade him either. Debatable, he signed Lazaar and we also have Haidara to come back. Anyway, that's not really relevant since Dummett can defend a bit but Colback is completely useless in every aspect of the game. I bet you £100,000 Haidara doesn't become first choice left back if Dummett is fit. The lad can't defend nor is he any good going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've gone full circle on Henderson like, I actually think he's criminally underrated these days. Back where you've started? He's the CM James Milner. Maximised potential through graft. Good enough at a lot of things and mentally smart enough and willing to adapt as necessary. Technically better than you expect but fundamentally not a "top" player. Great in the dressing room. Liverpool & England captain says more about the options than it does about him as a player and a leader though. This. Frankly it's an embarrassment. England captain, maybe, but not Liverpool captain. Liverpool play some brilliant stuff and will be looking for a Champions League place at least this season, Klopp likes him and Klopp's obviously no fool. Everyone slags him off, but if you actually watch him, his positioning is brilliant and he plays a lot of nice stuff, along with the simple stuff that you associate with someone like him or Milner. If he could finish I think he'd be rated a lot higher because whenever I watch Liverpool he misses a lot of chances having got into good positions. You look at Liverpool captains over the last 40 years, ability/leadership wise he would rank among the lowest at the moment. Better than Redknapp & Hyypia perhaps. Gerrard, Ince, Rush, Barnes, Hansen, Souness he is not. All of them had different qualities, Henderson has his own. Might not be a spectacular player, but he's got a lot of great qualities. Far better than people give him credit for, and you can imagine he'd be a manager's dream to have in midfield. His all action style makes him ideal for Klopp's pressing game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Sick of seeing Ryan Giggs on telly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Can someone tell the director we already know Rooney is on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Sick of seeing Ryan Giggs on telly I've got to endure seeing the detestable cunt on the golf course twice a week, too. Wish he'd just fuck off from life completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Dat back pass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 What a shambles at the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 That was fucking dire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midstoon Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Comical defending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 That was f***ing dire. Dier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Henderson having a mare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Sturridge needs to be less greedy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Sturridge needs to be less greedy. Every game too, can't stand him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 We can't even make a simple pass now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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