Optimistic Nut Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Jaqen said: Why are people surprised at Maguire getting a call up? He's going to be one of the first names on the team sheet. Until he underperforms for England I think that's spot on as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Mental that Shaw and Maguire are in there. Both have been shit and have lost their places to new signings almost instantly. Mental that Rashford and Sancho are not there either. Picked on form my arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Rashford is injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) Centre back options are awful. Dan Burn should be there ahead of Maguire. Edited September 16, 2022 by relámpago blanco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: Centre back options are awful. Dan Burn should be there ahead of Maguire. Not sure why we need 6 centre backs and 4 right backs anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 I bet the starting line up for the opening game of the world Cup is Pickford James Maguire Stones Shaw Rice Phillips Mount Saka Kane Sterling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Rashford is injured. He's fine. He just wasn't risked last night with a small muscle injury. He would have been fit for the Italy game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: I bet the starting line up for the opening game of the world Cup is Pickford James Maguire Stones Shaw Rice Phillips Mount Saka Kane Sterling I know this is a joke but surely Maguire/Shaw can't keep starting for his country when he's on the bench for his club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Froggy said: I know this is a joke but surely Maguire/Shaw can't keep starting for his country when he's on the bench for his club? It's not a joke, I honestly expect him to pick Maguire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Saw this opinion expressed a lot or something similar. I get it. However we’ve won fuck all and that squad of players came very close twice. The German side that dominated for so long kept the same group of core players despite club form. I think if we don’t win the WC or don’t get anywhere close then it’d be time to shake it up but I don’t blame Southgate for staying loyal to a team he’s built. That said if Bellingham doesn’t start he needs to go 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 I'd slag off the selection had he not been vindicated at literally every turn over the last six years. It might be a mistake to stick with his main core of players who've achieved a lot for him, but I'll wait for hindsight to make that call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) It’s the eternal debate of form versus a consistent international team. Seems to be unfair on the people who don’t get in, but I guess the manager would argue that he can’t go changing the whole squad every couple of months. Don’t know what the right answer is TBH, somewhere in the middle I suppose. Ideally these ‘trusted’ England players would be good enough to play well in the PL and stay in their club teams, but seems quite a few of them aren’t. Edited September 16, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just realised Maddison left out too because he’s playing in a shit Leicester side but has been involved in 10 G/A in the last 9 games for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, RodneyCisse said: Just realised Maddison left out too because he’s playing in a shit Leicester side but has been involved in 10 G/A in the last 9 games for them. He’s never going to pick Maddison, doesn’t know what to do with him. Doesn’t matter how many goals and assists he gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: He’s never going to pick Maddison, doesn’t know what to do with him. Doesn’t matter how many goals and assists he gets. Just play him instead of mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It’s the eternal debate of form versus a consistent international team. Seems to be unfair on the people who don’t get in, but I guess the manager would argue that he can’t go changing the whole squad every couple of months. Don’t know what the right answer is TBH, somewhere in the middle I suppose. Ideally these ‘trusted’ England players would be good enough to play well in the PL and stay in their club teams, but seems quite a few of them aren’t. Aye it's a tough one. You have someone like Klose who had a shit season before bossing the next World Cup, and then you have Shearer who went nearly two years without a goal for England but whose club form kept him in the side, then won the Golden Boot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 14 hours ago, Nolberto Disco said: Who's the hell is Marc Guehi? Seems odd having Newcastle players playing for England. A huge part of me hope they don't play in case they get injured, and in any case wasting time playing for England when they could be resting with us. Who do we think will be the next first cap player that will come from us? I think Dan Burn will be next in line for a cap at CB if he continues to stay fit and play decent enough for us. I can’t see Burn funding a place. I thought Targett was in with an outside chance if not for injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Maguire and Stones (even Dier) also have years of international experience of being able to bring the ball out and help break down teams who sit back and allow little space. Something that will be important particularly in the early rounds. You're asking a lot of people like Guehi, Burn, Tomori, etc to step up and do the same thing when they've little experience of it.at tournament level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 31 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Aye it's a tough one. You have someone like Klose who had a shit season before bossing the next World Cup, and then you have Shearer who went nearly two years without a goal for England but whose club form kept him in the side, then won the Golden Boot. I think Podolski too at some point? I understand going with the players that have performed well for England in the past. It's a team and it has it's own dynamics. It's not just the best performing England XI. But picking the likes of Shaw who have been criminally poor as a defender for a long time. It does smell bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Shaw in particular has had 1 good season, in 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Surely we'll play Chilwell? I know he's only just come back but Shaw's another one with experience latter rounds so good cover if we need it? I'd start phasing these players out after the World Cup unless their club form starts matching though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Much as I like having them in the squad - they’re the type of solid, mid-table pros that we’ve lacked for yonks - Burn and Targett aren’t England quality for me. That doesn’t mean I think Southgate’s continuing selection of Luke Shaw makes a lick of sense, mind. Pope and Trippier should be shoo-ins for the squad (and possibly team) though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 LB has been a problem for ages, hence Trippier being moved over there. Guess Chilwell would be the answer if he could stay fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, RodneyCisse said: Just play him instead of mount. Very different players though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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