RobsonsWonderland Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TRon said: I think that's a fair stance to take for an inferior side, if you don't really believe you have the best players in the world. I always thought Rafa was a great manager for cup tournaments where you can sit back and hit superior teams on the counter, but in the league his defensive approach cost Liverpool against inferior sides who used the same tactic. It's not the worst tactic tbf, but you do wonder if Southgate really believes England have the best players if he doesn't trust a plethora of attacking talent which most other international teams would be envious of. Is he defensive because he doesn't trust his Cb's. I mean we play with two Cdms to help cover them so you are only left with 4 attacking players in the team. And then mentions Foden can't play CM for his off the ball defensive work. So in reality it's defence first Edited September 14, 2023 by RobsonsWonderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Has the abuse been particularly worse than any other case? I’ve not paid a lot of attention and I hate toxic social media so I can imagine it’s worse online than before but in real life is it worse? Can’t imagine it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 It's not excusable from fans but I blame Southgate. He's put the lad in the firing line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Really terrible idea from his mother. Just made things even worse for him, and far more humiliating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Got the idea from that Spanish blokes mother. She’ll be going on hunger strike next. Seriously, Social Media is toxic, I’ve no idea why anyone uses it. Fortunately for Maguire he’s earning a ton of money and has the last laugh. It’s the vulnerable people that I fear for. It scares the shit out of me for what it can do. I’m told my daughter was bullied at school, she’s never mentioned it and we can’t broach the subject and it could extend to Social Media for all we know. I guess she’s just trying to be a protective mother. Hope he’s had a word with her mind when she’s telling him his next bedtime story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 2 hours ago, gbandit said: Has the abuse been particularly worse than any other case? I’ve not paid a lot of attention and I hate toxic social media so I can imagine it’s worse online than before but in real life is it worse? Can’t imagine it is To me it seems he's just became a meme/figure of ridicule rather than outright abuse? I think when you reach the stage he has where opposition fans cheer when they hear your name read out on the lineup or you are subbed on etc it's probably way more hurtful and humiliating than anything else. Even the way he lost the captaincy at Man United where McTominay was made captain in a friendly match ahead of him recently or they kept him out of the squad to have an extra sub keeper on the bench is really embarrassing for him. Ten Hag and Man United couldn't make it any clearer they wanted him gone and yet he's chose to sit on the bench there rather than playing every week for West Ham in a side that actually suits his game. I think that's why a lot of people will struggle to have too much sympathy for him. His mam releasing a statement isn't going to help things at all either mind, not sure what she's thinking there Blaming pundits and the media for abuse too? I can't remember any examples of that at all, just honest criticism of generally poor performances and a load of high profile errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I mean the abuse is terrible and people should really be better than that, but unfortunately it's part and parcel of the gig and everyone knows it going in. They are all very well compensated for what they do and can always walk away if they don't want to put with it, and so it's just one of those things really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Why's Pope not getting called up anymore? Even second choice Ramsdale is ahead of him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Probably has to do with his distribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Other than Bellingham and Rice, that midfield is stinking. You can't say any of the rest of them deserve to be in on form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Longstaff should be in ahead of Philips and Gordon should be in too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Jordan Henderson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Gallagher over JWP is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Selfishly glad our lads will get a rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) Henderson at least provides leadership and big-game nous; so can understand his inclusion to an extent. We’ve seen how much having good characters and leaders in your group (whether playing or not) can positively affect performances. Edited October 5, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubteam Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said: Jordan Henderson Appears to be the first name on the list, I'm sure Southgate wants some of the Saudi money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Southgate’s ridiculous selections will ultimately be his England legacy. He’s never going to win anything so he’ll be remembered for bottling a final and continually picking players who didn’t warrant a place, while leaving out bags of talent. I don’t even care about England that much but I cannot wait for him to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I just wish Southgate would go away... Yes I know we have done this and that under him but this is getting silly now. Philips struggled in the cup game, yet gets picked over JwP who is on a hot streak of form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 He's been pretty consistent at saying he's got his group and will stick by them. I understand what he's doing, I think it just feels so weird because we watch the premier league so see players in and out of form. I do think there is something in the argument that some players perform better for country over club (set up, less pressure etc) and seem to be able to switch it back on (I don't think Maguire is too bad for England, I've not watched Phillips play enough for England to know). The downsides for me are the argument vs incentive - surely players need to see that consistent good form will at least get them a competitive 10-20 mins from the bench? - and the fact that players aren't playing enough football to be in any sort of rhythm / form, or aren't playing any competitive football. The professional game is now one of such fine margins that any lapse in concentration or rust can cost you a tournament. I like Southgate and back him to continue, and it might just be a case of "you can't have both", but I think there's room for a mix of loyalty and rewarding performance. I'd set up an international squad as, e.g. "here are my 16 established, I keep the other 7 open for form" and you have whatever mechanism for switching between the two as time / circumstance require. Sometimes I wonder whether he just feels desperately sorry for Maguire and wants to help him out, which I can get behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) I think his entire appraoch is honking at this moment. His "group" aren't the same as they were a few years ago, and that's OK, pick new players who have earned it. Edited October 5, 2023 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Southgate should call up Howe and be shown how it's done. Fucking useless gormless knacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 No idea what JWP has done wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Remember the days when you had to be in the Premier league or top flight football and be playing to get in the England team. Since Southgate Sunday league players must think they've got a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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