triggs Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Unfortunately it hasn't been just away performances for about three months now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Was at the game today. This cunt has been on the beach since before Xmas. Can't believe the lack of stick he's getting from our fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I had more influence on the game today and I was watching a stream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Unfortunately it hasn't been just away performances for about three months now Absolute nail on the head. Sick to death of those saying that its time to drop him away from home. Hes been an absolute joke at home as well for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 What is actually wrong with this guy? He's so bad and getting away with it. He's done nowt for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Him and Pissoko pisses me off. They can fuck off. Not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Suited far better to a lower standard of football where he can do what he wants and be the star. Very similar to Depay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Same applies for Janmaat, Anita and perhaps De Jong. None have lived up to expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Suited far better to a lower standard of football where he can do what he wants and be the star. Very similar to Depay. This doesn't apply so much to Depay but for me, players like Wijnaldum and Anita are so used to their teams dominating games that they get totally unstuck when on the backfoot. PSV might have the odd hard game but mostly it'll be the opposition with 10 behind the ball. Now he's at NUFC it's 10 behind the ball when we attack Not excusing him for a pathetic 2nd half of the season but he clearly doesn't know how to adapt his game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Suited far better to a lower standard of football where he can do what he wants and be the star. Very similar to Depay. This doesn't apply so much to Depay but for me, players like Wijnaldum and Anita are so used to their teams dominating games that they get totally unstuck when on the backfoot. PSV might have the odd hard game but mostly it'll be the opposition with 10 behind the ball. Now he's at NUFC it's 10 behind the ball when we attack Not excusing him for a pathetic 2nd half of the season but he clearly doesn't know how to adapt his game Said the same a few weeks ago. De Jong, Janmaat too, players at those clubs probably play 2-3 games a season (when PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord play each other) where they don't have the ball for 65% of the match. Mbemba and Mitrovic exactly the same in Belgium. Hoying them en masse into a team that's expected to struggle is asking for trouble. As you say, not an excuse as such but an example of the lack of thought that goes into the transfer policy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Clearly has the ability but not the application, has allowed the malaise around him to become the accepted norm unchallenged and a lot of us had him as captain material early in the season. It's a wonder the Dutch team are so bad right now with attitudes like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Suited far better to a lower standard of football where he can do what he wants and be the star. Very similar to Depay. This doesn't apply so much to Depay but for me, players like Wijnaldum and Anita are so used to their teams dominating games that they get totally unstuck when on the backfoot. PSV might have the odd hard game but mostly it'll be the opposition with 10 behind the ball. Now he's at NUFC it's 10 behind the ball when we attack Not excusing him for a pathetic 2nd half of the season but he clearly doesn't know how to adapt his game I agree, but if you are any sort of decent footballer than you'd have the ability to play well in any team. Chelsea were a good example under Mourinho - they often put 10 men behind the ball when they needed to in games, yet their class players still played class. The frustrating thing is that I don't think it is down to ability with Wijnaldum, I think it's more down to the fact that he couldn't give a shit and quite clearly doesn't want to be here. Not knowing how to adapt his game doesn't cause him to amble around the pitch aimlessly for 90% of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Think it's mostly down to ability. Early on in this thread we mentioned how quiet he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 imo it's more down to attitude than ability. He's clearly a good player but since Christmas when it's looked quite clear we're stuck around the bottom 3 he's been largely anonymous. He doesn't want to know and wants to play elsewhere, a toxic mindset for the situation we're in, even worse when its one of your better players with more responsibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Hes already shown he has the ability earlier in the season when we were just as shite and he was scoring goals and grabbing the odd assist. Completely agree with the post above, once it became abundantly clear things weren't going to improve much he and a lot of others seem to have given up, he clearly isn't up for the fight and its a shame because his early season goal scoring ability might have just kept us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think he's just a bit of a coward. When you are playing shit, the least you can do is work hard in closing the ball down or trying to do something good with it. He's doing neither, he's hiding behind any blade of grass he can find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Someone who I thought was going to be the next big fan favourite, I was certainly very excited about him after his initial interviews, attitude then the way he played at the start but now, much like 90% of the rest of the team I couldn't give a fuck if he ever plays for us again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I've always felt he has had minimal influence in general play. Now he's not even missing chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Someone nailed it on Sunday supplement the other day. Players join us to get a move on as we all know, they sign with us to get noticed in the prem & to get that move. They dont sign up for relegation battles, nor do they care much about the club beyond how it serves their original goal. So its no suprise that when it clearly wont do that, they look demotivated. Our issue is almost that we sign better players than our current fellow relegation candidates. The likes of Wijnaldum, Sissoko etc make their national teams. They dont NEED to perform for us to get another move to a decent side they already have their reputation. They can get back in the shop window at the Euros also. What motivation do they have to keep us up? Norwich's players are fighting because they have to to maintain status at this level personally, they cant just move on regardless. Same at Bournemouth, Sunderland etc So thats the obvious difference. It becomes about pride beyond that, but Wijnaldum clearly didnt sign up for this & is no where near the guy even pre when he scored 4 against Norwich. He doesnt care about the fight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Odd given what he's known to have said, the drive and hunger from his PSV days and looking to break into the national fold; seems like a ton went out the window for him when the Dutch were eliminated from the Euros. FFS he was Dutch player of the year and the player who played versus Southampton and the Norwich 4 goal match, there's a fantastic footballer in there when his heart matches his talent; unfortunately for us he hasn't put in the gut busting performances in an ages...such a shame and a waste. I thought I was witnessing a future world class potential footballer play for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I genuinely don't think they are any better overall. Lens is a Dutch international too. Attitude > ability a lot of the time. Your attitude can go along way to determining your ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Siem captained Ajax to the title before he joined us. Despite the fact he's made of tissue paper, he still seems like a leader on the pitch and sets an example. Then Wij captained PSV to the title the following season. How on earth this chap was a captain, based on his year here, is beyond me. Transfer fees and reputation aside, for what they both bring to the table, I still don't understand why Wij is being preferred to Siem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 He played all over the pitch for PSV, did Gini, that's why it's so frustrating to see how look so anon for us and not impose himself; that PSV team was built around him and he was excellent on both ends of the pitch. His desire, heart, and drive was what made him so good for PSV and be the Dutch player of the year; and that's the player we saw more in the beginning of the season than what we've now seen...he's not giving the effort at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 It isn't just technical ability that makes a player, nor attitude or application. The set of circumstances surrounding the club and every rotten thing that likely takes place therein have most likely dampened the kind of impact Gini could and should be having on football matches. He is to blame, but so is the club and all the underhanded, remedial, cheapskate tactics that go into managing it. I think that's quite apparent given the absolute mess of the majority of our players (whether they have been good for us or other clubs in the past). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 He played all over the pitch for PSV, did Gini, that's why it's so frustrating to see how look so anon for us and not impose himself; that PSV team was built around him and he was excellent on both ends of the pitch. His desire, heart, and drive was what made him so good for PSV and be the Dutch player of the year; and that's the player we saw more in the beginning of the season than what we've now seen...he's not giving the effort at all. Technically they are both top standard players, but is the Dutch league as competitive as ours? Players seem to get caught out by the pace of the game over here and too many of our midfielders just seem to get swamped in the midfield battle. I don't know why though, other teams have got technical footballers as well but they still seem able to pass the ball around quite effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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