DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You can't criticise some players on here without others bursting into tears. for example - Wij and Ayoze were two of the most poor and anonymous players against Palace which was rarely mentioned. Cisse was one player to actually do something good in that game. I'm no fan of Cisse, he's a limited footballer and I don't think he can be a focal point for a good team. He can't get involved and work with others in build up. I can see Mitro being a part of a really slick attacking outfit. However, even with Mitro we still suck going forward and struggle to score goals. Mitro rarely looks like scoring. His movement in the box isn't great and he's often. On his heels. Cisse is the more likely to score imo. We need to keep it tight and have a few players that can knick us goals and Cisse's that player for us. Only for the short or medium term would I play Cisse like. At this stage a strike force of Ayoze and Mitro won't get us enough goals. Would like to see both in the team sooner rather than later though. The persecution complex is strong in this one. Buddy, Ayoze was the least of our problems against Palace and Leicester when our entire fucking midfield was non existent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I can handle Mitrovic's gamesmanship tbh. It's nothing to be proud of, and it's the kind of thing I'd be spitting feathers about if it went against us (back when I cared, anyway). But it's gamesmanship - part of the game and part of any other game. As others have said, I don't mind having a twat on the team as long as he's not absolutely taking the piss with diving like Ashley Young, or something, which is just blatant cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He might, just might, have decided to protect 2 young players and gone for more experience up top to try and lead the team better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You can't criticise some players on here without others bursting into tears. for example - Wij and Ayoze were two of the most poor and anonymous players against Palace which was rarely mentioned. Cisse was one player to actually do something good in that game. I'm no fan of Cisse, he's a limited footballer and I don't think he can be a focal point for a good team. He can't get involved and work with others in build up. I can see Mitro being a part of a really slick attacking outfit. However, even with Mitro we still suck going forward and struggle to score goals. Mitro rarely looks like scoring. His movement in the box isn't great and he's often. On his heels. Cisse is the more likely to score imo. We need to keep it tight and have a few players that can knick us goals and Cisse's that player for us. Only for the short or medium term would I play Cisse like. At this stage a strike force of Ayoze and Mitro won't get us enough goals. Would like to see both in the team sooner rather than later though. The persecution complex is strong in this one. Buddy, Ayoze was the least of our problems against Palace and Leicester when our entire f***ing midfield was non existent. Bearing in mind Ayoze plays behind rather than alongside the striker, should he not shoulder some of the blame for our abysmal midfield given that it's his job to help out to an extent? By contrast, De Jong more or less played the same role at the weekend and made a decent contribution towards possession, pressing, winning the ball back and the like. I'm a huge fan of Ayoze for the record but I think it's very generous to call him the least of our problems recently - he's been poor the last couple of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 You can't criticise some players on here without others bursting into tears. for example - Wij and Ayoze were two of the most poor and anonymous players against Palace which was rarely mentioned. Cisse was one player to actually do something good in that game. I'm no fan of Cisse, he's a limited footballer and I don't think he can be a focal point for a good team. He can't get involved and work with others in build up. I can see Mitro being a part of a really slick attacking outfit. However, even with Mitro we still suck going forward and struggle to score goals. Mitro rarely looks like scoring. His movement in the box isn't great and he's often. On his heels. Cisse is the more likely to score imo. We need to keep it tight and have a few players that can knick us goals and Cisse's that player for us. Only for the short or medium term would I play Cisse like. At this stage a strike force of Ayoze and Mitro won't get us enough goals. Would like to see both in the team sooner rather than later though. The persecution complex is strong in this one. Buddy, Ayoze was the least of our problems against Palace and Leicester when our entire f***ing midfield was non existent. Bearing in mind Ayoze plays behind rather than alongside the striker, should he not shoulder some of the blame for our abysmal midfield given that it's his job to help out to an extent? By contrast, De Jong more or less played the same role at the weekend and made a decent contribution towards possession, pressing, winning the ball back and the like. I'm a huge fan of Ayoze for the record but I think it's very generous to call him the least of our problems recently - he's been poor the last couple of games. While both he and Mitro were ineffective in those games, I still think the main issues lie further down south from where Ayoze plays, we so badly need at least 1 solid DM, I am tired of hitting my head against the wall in the hope this dramatic exhortation translates to us actually getting one in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What Cisse offered against Liverpool was width (stretching play) and off the ball runs inbetween and in behind. He didn't work their defenders physically, but he sure made them move around and if you can make defenders move around you help create space and openings for team-mates and help to destabilise a back-four. Mitrovic doesn't do this. He backs into his marker, wins a few balls and slugs it out. He is better than Cisse at holding the ball up and in the air, he is more of a physical presence, but Cisse is a goal threat and more mobile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 If we are to get the best out of Mitrovic, he needs wingers and crosses and someone buzzing off of him. Basically similar to how we were set up under Sir Bobby. Mitrovic will only work with a Bellamy type alongside him and wingers who can cross the ball. We lack the right players all over the park in general regardless of systems and tactics Mind so it's a bit pointless at the moment trying to analyse everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree Cisse has looked good the last couple of games, but this is Cisse we're talking about FFS. How long is this going to last? How long until he returns to being perennially off-side and disinterested, planning his next wedding decor in his head? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree Cisse has looked good the last couple of games, but this is Cisse we're talking about FFS. How long is this going to last? How long until he returns to being perennially off-side and disinterested, planning his next wedding decor in his head? Personally I'd get rid of him in January and go for someone like Austin, but as its stands he is our best bet for a goal and our best bet at making things tick with what we have behind him in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree Cisse has looked good the last couple of games, but this is Cisse we're talking about FFS. How long is this going to last? How long until he returns to being perennially off-side and disinterested, planning his next wedding decor in his head? It's a squad game, man. This is the benefit of having competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 By the way in classic N.O backtracking mode, my comments about Mitrovic where stupid, but the Norwich game aside, where a I was hoodwinked a tad, he has looked extremely average for us and I'm not liking a few of his traits like. We can't just write him off though and given his cost, he needs the right players around him to do well and we lack those players badly. I personally believe if McClaren had his own way, we wouldn't have went for a Mitrovic type forward, he likes his mobile off the cuff type forwards doesn't he Hasslebaink, Yakubu, that Brazillian fella from Holland etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He's nee Collins John like ouch Well in lads. Can't beat a c2006 forum in-joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He's nee Collins John like ouch Well in lads. Can't beat a c2006 forum in-joke. GREAT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 He might, just might, have decided to protect 2 young players and gone for more experience up top to try and lead the team better. Agreed. I didn't think it was correct but it makes sense. He put out the most experienced team he could and has been trending that way.Flies in the face of "throw in absolutely anyone else... Thauvin... Mbabu.. GOUFFRAN" that has been prevalent on this board the last few weeks. The lads that had been left out.. Cisse and De Jong played with some fire too. Long term neither will prove the answer. One is bound to return to shitness when comfortable and the other will get injured. But we need results now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 My Bosnian mate reckons he only thinks about money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wouldn't be like a Bosnian to dislike a Serb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 My Canadian mate thinks he has unique tattoos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Absolutely everything you want from a centre forward after he came on. Won headers, held it up, brought others into play, bullied their centre halves and got a goal and an assist. More of this please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He definitely dipped after the international break, that was back to his initial displays. Fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 HTT is right, he's fucking shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Absolutely everything you want from a centre forward after he came on. Won headers, held it up, brought others into play, bullied their centre halves and got a goal and an assist. More of this please. Aye, should've scored another two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Bobbins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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