Footsoldier Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Clearly neither Joselu or Gayle can score a goal between them. Kebabs or no kebabs, if Mitrovic coiuld’ve scored a few goals to keeps us in the premier league then give him the ones with extra meat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Exactly. You'd think Mitrovic was head and shoulders above the others reading some of the responses to that article, when all the evidence is that he's not. He's got more potential I'd say, but if he can't be arsed then he's got no right to complain. I wasn't being flippant when I said I hope this loan makes him buck his ideas up and we benefit from it next season. Doubt it but you never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Clearly neither Joselu or Gayle can score a goal between them. Kebabs or no kebabs, if Mitrovic coiuld’ve scored a few goals to keeps us in the premier league then give him the ones with extra meat. So our last relegation season completely didn't happen now. His consistent, constant, legendary misses that relegated us have been excised from collective memory by Men in Black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Is the one most likely to score, the right answer? Or the one most likely to work hardest? Or, to most precisely comply with his tactical brief? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I don't think Mitro is head and shoulders ahead of the other two but after seeing how shit those two are you can't deny Mitro deserves much more chance than he got. And I don't think people are saying he is our new HBA - I just think people who trying hard to defend Rafa are portraiting Mitro as super dog shit which clearly he isn't. The problem is on Rafa. I don't get it. Criticising Rafa doesn't mean want him replaced. Why can't just accept Rafa got some decisions wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Spot on, incredible that anyone tries to dispute it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Looks totally different compared to the skewed figures you tried to use. Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Aye, incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. I can't even be arsed tbh. I find the whole pandering for Mitrovic thing proper weird and alien. No one will ever convince me that he should have been playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. I can't even be arsed tbh. I find the whole pandering for Mitrovic thing proper weird and alien. No one will ever convince me that he should have been playing. If Gayle and Joselu had been adequate there'd be no Mitrovic discussion. As it turns out, they'll be lucky to match combined this season what Mitrovic has scored in the Premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Spot on, incredible that anyone tries to dispute it. But we got relegated. With Mitro as our main striker. Incredible anyone tries to dispute that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. I can't even be arsed tbh. I find the whole pandering for Mitrovic thing proper weird and alien. No one will ever convince me that he should have been playing. If Gayle and Joselu had been adequate there'd be no Mitrovic discussion. As it turns out, they'll be lucky to match combined this season what Mitrovic has scored in the Premier league. Bollocks tbf. There was plenty of pandering last year when Gayle was banging them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The 4-4-2 neanderthals maybe. Anyway, even I'm not arsed now, Slimani is head and shoulders above everyone on our books. I said in the summer if we got him I'd be happy for Mitrovic to at least be loaned out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You honestly think a manager of Rafa’s stature bases his team selections on who runs the furthest in training? He and his coaches will have data on everything - each player’s Vo2 max, resting heart rate, heart rate at maximum output etc. If the stats consistently show that he isn’t pushing himself as hard as he can in training, would you honestly advocate picking him? That kind of attitude is unacceptable! Rafa’s word is law at this club, end of. If he says he wants players giving everything in training and he can see that Mitro consistently isn’t then he can’t expect to get picked. All he had to do was work a bit harder and he would’ve been in the team. What you seem to be saying is it’s ok for players to go against the manager and that they should still be picked regardless. I can see that ending really f***ing well! You know what, when Joselu does this, you'll be right, until then you're wrong, have a nice evening one of his 4 goals in 25 appearances in the Championship there. Meanwhile, the universally deemed not good enough Joselu has 4 goals in 22 appearances in the Premier League. GET.HIM.IN.THE.TEAM Would be interesting to lose the term ‘appearances’ and change it to minutes played, a more accurate reflection. Be my guest dude. Mitro - 4 goals and 6 assists in 1122 minutes as a bit part player, rarely starting 2 games in a row Joselu - 4 goals and 1 assist in 1562 minutes with 19 starts Looks totally different compared to the skewed figures you tried to use. Joselu has what? 1 goal in his last 9 appearances. I dont care less if Mitro turns up every day to training in stockings and heels, he’s still a better striker and we’d have been better off with him in the team. Suspended for three matches and how long has he been out injured for? 100% true about him not bothering in training for months too from the gaffer’s mouth! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I keep saying pandering when I mean clamouring. Apologies for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Mitrovic is quite comfortably a better striker than Joselu like, we've seen that with our own eyes. He wasn't good enough, Joselu is just genuinely fucking awful. It sounds like it's his own fault but if we get relegated I think it's fair to say not playing him at all in favour of Joselu was a ridiculous call. Spot on, incredible that anyone tries to dispute it. But we got relegated. With Mitro as our main striker. Incredible anyone tries to dispute that. Not a single person on planet earth has ever or will ever dispute that. What in the green fuck are you going onabout? We've persisted with Joselu for most of the season and he's been dreadful, he hasn't improved from his early season form and has never looked like improving - his record has never shown any signs of being any better than this either. It's fair enough to think that had Mitrovic been played instead he would have likely scored more and won us more points. It's like banking on a burnt McDonalds burger tasting better than mound of cow shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 He called me Mitro when I met him after the Derby match last year. Looking back that's probably an insult. I'm wounded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..." This fucker couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism. His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season. Get the fuck outta here with this Mitro love-in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..." This f***er couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism. His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season. Get the f*** outta here with this Mitro love-in. What club pins their hopes on a 21 year old from overseas in his first season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 24th Feb live on Sky Mitro mauls the Wolves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Cisse got in on running stats too ahead of Mitro. Scored less goals and looked way worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..." This fucker couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism. His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season. Get the fuck outta here with this Mitro love-in. You're straw-manning the fuck out of this to make an argument like, there's no love in and nobody is saying Mitrovic isn't appalling infront of goal. You're just talking relentless shite. Mitrovic was shite all in all in his first season, he shouldn't have been our main striker and his lack of cutting edge cost us points. He still looked better than Joselu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You have three average strikers - two give their all in training one sits about eating kebabs..Who do you pick? Clearly neither Joselu or Gayle can score a goal between them. Kebabs or no kebabs, if Mitrovic coiuld’ve scored a few goals to keeps us in the premier league then give him the ones with extra meat. So our last relegation season completely didn't happen now. His consistent, constant, legendary misses that relegated us have been excised from collective memory by Men in Black. Not at all. But when the other two can’t score and Rafa keeps juggling the pair of them, at some point you have to say let’s try a 3rd option. Let’s face it, it can’t get any worse can it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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