Shearergol Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Best long passer at the club, his short range passing isn't all that impressive tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I always used to think when he was out the team we would struggle. We got better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Lejeune Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Have a dislike of Shelvey now. I was really hoping he would have been moved on for a better player. His mid to long range passing is very good, but he's just so horrific at anything defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Ki is a good passer? He seems like the ultimate 'nothing player' to me. Couldn't even tell you what he is supposed to be decent at? Whatever people's views are on Jonjo's contribution, comments and all round ability. His passing is outrageously good, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Ki is a good passer? He seems like the ultimate 'nothing player' to me. Couldn't even tell you what he is supposed to be decent at? Whatever people's views are on Jonjo's contribution, comments and all round ability. His passing is outrageously good, IMO. ki changed the entire shape of our play when he came in last season, then longstaff came in and did the same thing even better when he fucked off to the asian cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Ki is a good passer? He seems like the ultimate 'nothing player' to me. Couldn't even tell you what he is supposed to be decent at? Whatever people's views are on Jonjo's contribution, comments and all round ability. His passing is outrageously good, IMO. ki changed the entire shape of our play when he came in last season, then longstaff came in and did the same thing even better when he fucked off to the asian cup What did he do exactly, bar run around slightly more than Shelvey? I'm not even sure I'm being sarcastic, anymore I genuinely can't remember Ki doing anything decent, or contributing much. Just seems like another squad player that isn't good enough, to go with the other 10-15 that we already have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnMag Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Shelvey is not a first or the last player that falls out with a manager. But it was unneccessary and quite frankly spineless to sh** on Rafa when he is gone for good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Ki is a good passer? He seems like the ultimate 'nothing player' to me. Couldn't even tell you what he is supposed to be decent at? Whatever people's views are on Jonjo's contribution, comments and all round ability. His passing is outrageously good, IMO. ki changed the entire shape of our play when he came in last season, then longstaff came in and did the same thing even better when he fucked off to the asian cup What did he do exactly, bar run around slightly more than Shelvey? I'm not even sure I'm being sarcastic, anymore I genuinely can't remember Ki doing anything decent, or contributing much. Just seems like another squad player that isn't good enough, to go with the other 10-15 that we already have. shelvey was playing the QB role and the team was very static/separated so perez & rondon were operating in isolation a lot of the time, once ki got in the team he started transitioning the play with shorter passes that encouraged other players to move up the pitch and consequently the whole team moved up leaving the forwards much less isolated it was incredibly noticeable at the time, we looked a different team the moment he came in tbf i see what you're saying in that he didn't bring any hollywood atttributes to things but he was a far better fit under rafa keeping things moving in the right way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 really valid points about ki there. his set pieces were generally quite good too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe. Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Ki is a good passer? He seems like the ultimate 'nothing player' to me. Couldn't even tell you what he is supposed to be decent at? Whatever people's views are on Jonjo's contribution, comments and all round ability. His passing is outrageously good, IMO. ki changed the entire shape of our play when he came in last season, then longstaff came in and did the same thing even better when he fucked off to the asian cup What did he do exactly, bar run around slightly more than Shelvey? I'm not even sure I'm being sarcastic, anymore I genuinely can't remember Ki doing anything decent, or contributing much. Just seems like another squad player that isn't good enough, to go with the other 10-15 that we already have. shelvey was playing the QB role and the team was very static/separated so perez & rondon were operating in isolation a lot of the time, once ki got in the team he started transitioning the play with shorter passes that encouraged other players to move up the pitch and consequently the whole team moved up leaving the forwards much less isolated it was incredibly noticeable at the time, we looked a different team the moment he came in tbf i see what you're saying in that he didn't bring any hollywood atttributes to things but he was a far better fit under rafa keeping things moving in the right way Ki is hardly a world beater, but his movement is a million miles better than Shelvey or his partner in cement boots, Ginger Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 mental Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Aye, that's crazy. Ki isn't flash but he's a continuity player with good intelligence. He gets the ball, gives it, keeps it moving and retains possession. Obviously Shelvey's vision and long passing is often much better, just depends what role you need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. So why did we start winning last season after Shelvey was dropped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. So why did we start winning last season after Shelvey was dropped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is brilliant at playing those short forward passes into the feet of more advanced players, which is such an underrated and often overlooked thing. It was fantastic for the team. So many players continuously fail to attempt to even play those passes and continuously go sideways and backwards, or they just misplace them time and time again, because approaching the final third those key passes are into tighter areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. So why did we start winning last season after Shelvey was dropped? We started winning last season when Almiron arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. So why did we start winning last season after Shelvey was dropped? We started winning last season when Almiron arrived. Actually we started winning the odd game when Shelvey was replaced by Ki. Then when Almiron arrived, Longstaff and Hayden took up the central midfield roles, and that saw us winning more consistently. They added a bit more steel to the movement that Ki brought, but all of them gave more than Shelvey IMO. It was incremental improvement as the season went on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Shelvey is a total luxury. And not a very good luxury. Someone mentioned it earlier, his game is made completely redundant when you have two ball-playing centre-halves in Schar and Lejeune. You don't need a QB when you have centre-backs who are as gifted passers as they are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Shelvey is a total luxury. And not a very good luxury. Someone mentioned it earlier, his game is made completely redundant when you have two ball-playing centre-halves in Schar and Lejeune. You don't need a QB when you have centre-backs who are as gifted passers as they are That's the difference for me. I'm sure we started winning games when Lejeune came back, and Rafa had his preferred defence. If the forward players can make their moves before the need to get the ball into the middle, it's invaluable. Especially with Rafa's disciplined approach. Still think Shelvey could be useful as a sub/plan B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Ki is the definition of a nothing player like. Genuinely can't tell you anything he's particularly good at. Shelvey, on the other, has better vision than most, and we all know how good his passing can be. Yes, he's not much of a grafter, but what he brings to the table is far more important in my opinion. Shelvey's lack of involvement was always a frustration of mine with Rafa. One of my few frustrations with him. So why did we start winning last season after Shelvey was dropped? We started winning last season when Almiron arrived. We won 6 games before Almiron arrived. All without Shelvey funnily enough, could had been 7 if he could mark (vs Watford away). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 neesy & tron Ki started the ball rolling then longstaff and hayden carried it on and improved , shelvey held us back if anything though that may be a little harsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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