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Henri Saivet (now a free agent)

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By "English players" he really means Jack Colback, right? :lol:

 

I liked this bit:

“I watched my matches several times with a specialist.

 

“I wondered why I did not play more.”

 

I agree, and I like the fact that he did this to improve. Wouldn't mind giving him another shot. Seems like a decent guy.

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“The leaders had asked him to play the English players. It’s like that there.

 

“They even said that the Championship was for the English players, not foreigners.

 

“Because they like to play every three days, they like to fight well.

 

“We foreign players, if we were given the confidence, we could have done that.”

 

Who's he talking about when he refers to the leaders? I'm pretty sure Rafa can make his own mind up, if he's not playing Saivet then he didn't rate him or just felt he wasn't ready. Still, I like that he thought he would have got stuck in given a chance.

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Not sure why it's so accepted that Rafa is a supreme man of principle that would never take direction from above. Sure he's a step up from the Pards & McClarens of this world, but if he was all that principled a man he wouldn't have come here in the first place.

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As long as he's given full control why should he have any issue with what's happened here in the past?  Its nowt to do with principles anyway, the fact is Benitez is a control freak (in a good way).  He's not going to spend all week working out the best way to win a match only for Mike Ashley to tell him he has to change his plans because he fancies some English players for some bizarre reason.  Its nowt but excuses from Saivet.

 

The leaders simply told him that Jack must play due to that contact agreement :shifty:

 

Aye that was pretty funny, no idea how anyone believed it really, obviously rubbish even before it was proven beyond all doubt as rubbish this season.

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Some of that is probably lost in translation.  It does imply that Rafa was asked to play English players but that makes no sense when the club kept buying foreign players.

 

But there is a lot of truth (hierarchy = authorities?) in what he says if he is perhaps talking more generally about the perceived (media) consensus that we went down because we did not have enough English players - it was something the media and ex pros (Rob Lee anyone) banged on about repeatedly even when we had more Brits playing.  And certainly, the media are of the opinion that the foreign players wouldn't be able to hack the Championship.  They even say Rafa will struggle because he is does not know the Championship despite several foreign managers getting promoted in recent years.

 

It is mystifying why Saivet hardly played.  From the little we saw, he did not disgrace himself and he was never given a chance to adapt.  I guess a relegation battle is not the best place to do that but even so, you would think he might have been in the matchday squad more.  Maybe his attitude was poor in training.

 

 

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I have no idea whether Saivet is lying or not. But we've lied to managers about them getting full control in the past, so I don't find it all that preposterous that rafa might take the odd instruction/ bit of guidance from above.

 

I'm just stunned by how well you seem to know Rafa, and how you know exactly what he would or wouldn't do, should his boss ask.

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Our most played team this season includes Sels, Anita, Mbemba, Dummett ( :shifty:), Ritchie ( :shifty:), Gouffran, Diame.

 

ALL THE ENGLISH

 

Don't know what the fuck he's onabout as it was similar last season too, I doubt he's lying, as that would be weird, so I can only assume he was being bullied by Jack Colback.

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I have no idea whether Saivet is lying or not. But we've lied to managers about them getting full control in the past, so I don't find it all that preposterous that rafa might take the odd instruction/ bit of guidance from above.

 

I'm just stunned by how well you seem to know Rafa, and how you know exactly what he would or wouldn't do, should his boss ask.

Pretty certain he's not letting them pick his teams like :lol:
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“The leaders had asked him to play the English players. It’s like that there.

 

“They even said that the Championship was for the English players, not foreigners.

 

“Because they like to play every three days, they like to fight well.

 

“We foreign players, if we were given the confidence, we could have done that.”

 

Who's he talking about when he refers to the leaders? I'm pretty sure Rafa can make his own mind up, if he's not playing Saivet then he didn't rate him or just felt he wasn't ready. Still, I like that he thought he would have got stuck in given a chance.

 

Carr? Charnley? Ashley? Some hierarchy.

 

The lad obviously sees and hears more than anyone not associated with the club.

 

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I have no idea whether Saivet is lying or not. But we've lied to managers about them getting full control in the past, so I don't find it all that preposterous that rafa might take the odd instruction/ bit of guidance from above.

 

I'm just stunned by how well you seem to know Rafa, and how you know exactly what he would or wouldn't do, should his boss ask.

 

Howay.. you don't need to be his mate to know how the guy works, what his mentality is.  Go and read some articles about him, its clear the kind of manager he is.  Its also not as if he needed our job desperately enough to bend over backwards for us, we needed him far more than he needed us.  Honestly this guy picking his team based on orders from Mike Ashley or Charnley is about as believable as Colback having a "must play every game" clause in his contract.

 

As far as why Saivet has said that.  Like others have said could be lost in translation.  Or could be the fact that its much easier to pass off the opinion of some owner than a big name like Benitez "wasn't Rafa that didn't want to play me, nah he was forced not to by the people above because they're English and want more English players".  Or he might even have heard it, still doesn't make it true.

 

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Still think he did absolutely fine when he played and baffled as to why he didn't get a look in. Maybe his attitude in training was p*ss poor as Rafa (rightfully) wouldn't stand for that.

 

However if he worked hard in training and showed he wanted to play then it's very strange. In less than 90 minutes game time he played better than Colback had in an entire season. One game he was very tidy,keeping his position well and passing forward.

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He looked OK in one game. Given our CM options if Rafa has no time for him he must just be abject, which, to be fair, his career before coming here would probably substantiate. No need to look too far into it. Another godawful Carr signing who'll leave for peanuts in a year or two.

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Still think he did absolutely fine when he played and baffled as to why he didn't get a look in. Maybe his attitude in training was p*ss poor as Rafa (rightfully) wouldn't stand for that.

 

However if he worked hard in training and showed he wanted to play then it's very strange. In less than 90 minutes game time he played better than Colback had in an entire season. One game he was very tidy,keeping his position well and passing forward.

 

I thought he looked ok in the small amount of playing time he had under McClaren, but only very fleeting showing before Benitez even arrived.  I think Rafa was trying to pick a side that had plenty of Premier League experience and players who he could drill the basics into to form a solid unit, taking no risks in the very small amount of games we had left.  Hence why the likes of Shelvey didn't play much, that was my feeling at the time anyway.

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He's referring to the premiership more so assume he's talking in the main about last season. Don't find it unbelievable that for the 10 games last year Rafa came in to the role with some suggestions which he took on board, seeing he joined mid-season with limited knowledge of the squad.

Expect the new contract put paid to any of that and he maybe thought Saivet wasn't right for the championship. He has erred on the side of proven 2nd tier experience in a few areas.

 

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