Mick Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Firstly I understand and support Rafa's sticking with a long term plan regarding formations etc, however I think he has royally f***ed up his long term prospects because to implement his long term plan he needs full buy in from Ashley and to do that he needed to show short term success. Whilst I am fully on Rafa's side, Ashley may perceive that: 1. He appears to have failed to win the league 2. He spunked significant transfer funds on a number of players that were either s*** (Sels) or rarely featured. Could have signed 1 good first team player with that. 3. Despite the noises made about not sending injury risk players onto the pitch, the fact that the club doctor allowed Aarons and Gayle onto the pitch was a f***ing travesty. Our doctor has a more CV and should not be in this role and Rafa should have been more ruthless there. These recent results could well be the beginning of the end for Rafa, he will probably survive as manager for now, but a Graham Carr influenced 12 months beckons. You have the memory of a goldfish, we had to buy a new keeper because we had Darlow and Woodman, Krul and Eliott were both coming back from serious injuries. Of the players that come in Sels has so far failed and he has still got time on his side to come good. Add Lazaar who has so far failed but could still come good and Gamez who was brought in on a free. Gayle has been a success, Ritchie has been a success, Clark has played better than anybody could have expected, Hayden for me has been excellent, Diame has played a lot and couldn't be seen as a success, Yedlin has done well, Murphy has come in and scored goals when needed and Atsu has done a job for us at times and Hanley likewise. That transfer record has almost certainly allowed us to gain promotion at the first time of asking and I would say that his record is as good, if not better than the one of Carr. Aarons came back from a foot injury and done his ankle, Gayle came back from injury and done his other hamstring, it's not as if they came back and had the same injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Firstly I understand and support Rafa's sticking with a long term plan regarding formations etc, however I think he has royally f***ed up his long term prospects because to implement his long term plan he needs full buy in from Ashley and to do that he needed to show short term success. Whilst I am fully on Rafa's side, Ashley may perceive that: 1. He appears to have failed to win the league 2. He spunked significant transfer funds on a number of players that were either s*** (Sels) or rarely featured. Could have signed 1 good first team player with that. 3. Despite the noises made about not sending injury risk players onto the pitch, the fact that the club doctor allowed Aarons and Gayle onto the pitch was a f***ing travesty. Our doctor has a more CV and should not be in this role and Rafa should have been more ruthless there. These recent results could well be the beginning of the end for Rafa, he will probably survive as manager for now, but a Graham Carr influenced 12 months beckons. Or you could look on the flip side and say that Rafa has proven to Ashley that reinforcements were needed in January and we were lucky to get away with it. Therefore making Ashley realise that Rafa is king and needs to be listened to about everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Happy Birthday Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 If he wasn't so negative he'd already have had his birthday by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 If he wasn't so negative he'd already have had his birthday by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Firstly I understand and support Rafa's sticking with a long term plan regarding formations etc, however I think he has royally fucked up his long term prospects because to implement his long term plan he needs full buy in from Ashley and to do that he needed to show short term success. Whilst I am fully on Rafa's side, Ashley may perceive that: 1. He appears to have failed to win the league 2. He spunked significant transfer funds on a number of players that were either shit (Sels) or rarely featured. Could have signed 1 good first team player with that. 3. Despite the noises made about not sending injury risk players onto the pitch, the fact that the club doctor allowed Aarons and Gayle onto the pitch was a fucking travesty. Our doctor has a more CV and should not be in this role and Rafa should have been more ruthless there. These recent results could well be the beginning of the end for Rafa, he will probably survive as manager for now, but a Graham Carr influenced 12 months beckons. Good post that, echoes my concerns, in Ashleys mind he will have seen Hughton win us the championship with ease and wonder why Rafa couldn't do the same with a much bigger budget, would he have a point? Maybe a little, but the team we came down with last time was far better than our current one so you can see it both ways. Either way I can't see Rafa being here come kick off next season should we go up, it'll be job done from him and goodbye when he doesn't get what he wants to take us forward, we'll end up with another limited manager just happy to be in the job and whether we stay up or not would be anyones guess but if Rafa goes I won't give a flying fuck anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Don't say that !! If Rafa goes then everything points to the return of Pardew, I can see his press conference now.... "I'm back to finish what I started" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Firstly I understand and support Rafa's sticking with a long term plan regarding formations etc, however I think he has royally f***ed up his long term prospects because to implement his long term plan he needs full buy in from Ashley and to do that he needed to show short term success. Whilst I am fully on Rafa's side, Ashley may perceive that: 1. He appears to have failed to win the league 2. He spunked significant transfer funds on a number of players that were either s*** (Sels) or rarely featured. Could have signed 1 good first team player with that. 3. Despite the noises made about not sending injury risk players onto the pitch, the fact that the club doctor allowed Aarons and Gayle onto the pitch was a f***ing travesty. Our doctor has a more CV and should not be in this role and Rafa should have been more ruthless there. These recent results could well be the beginning of the end for Rafa, he will probably survive as manager for now, but a Graham Carr influenced 12 months beckons. You have the memory of a goldfish, we had to buy a new keeper because we had Darlow and Woodman, Krul and Eliott were both coming back from serious injuries. Of the players that come in Sels has so far failed and he has still got time on his side to come good. Add Lazaar who has so far failed but could still come good and Gamez who was brought in on a free. Gayle has been a success, Ritchie has been a success, Clark has played better than anybody could have expected, Hayden for me has been excellent, Diame has played a lot and couldn't be seen as a success, Yedlin has done well, Murphy has come in and scored goals when needed and Atsu has done a job for us at times and Hanley likewise. That transfer record has almost certainly allowed us to gain promotion at the first time of asking and I would say that his record is as good, if not better than the one of Carr. Aarons came back from a foot injury and done his ankle, Gayle came back from injury and done his other hamstring, it's not as if they came back and had the same injury. Thank you Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Don't say that !! If Rafa goes then everything points to the return of Pardew, I can see his press conference now.... "I'm back to finish what I started" Anyone who spends money to watch us after that would deserve everything they got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 If he wasn't so negative he'd already have had his birthday by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkzter Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Firstly I understand and support Rafa's sticking with a long term plan regarding formations etc, however I think he has royally f***ed up his long term prospects because to implement his long term plan he needs full buy in from Ashley and to do that he needed to show short term success. Whilst I am fully on Rafa's side, Ashley may perceive that: 1. He appears to have failed to win the league 2. He spunked significant transfer funds on a number of players that were either s*** (Sels) or rarely featured. Could have signed 1 good first team player with that. 3. Despite the noises made about not sending injury risk players onto the pitch, the fact that the club doctor allowed Aarons and Gayle onto the pitch was a f***ing travesty. Our doctor has a more CV and should not be in this role and Rafa should have been more ruthless there. These recent results could well be the beginning of the end for Rafa, he will probably survive as manager for now, but a Graham Carr influenced 12 months beckons. Good post that, echoes my concerns, in Ashleys mind he will have seen Hughton win us the championship with ease and wonder why Rafa couldn't do the same with a much bigger budget, would he have a point? Maybe a little, but the team we came down with last time was far better than our current one so you can see it both ways. Either way I can't see Rafa being here come kick off next season should we go up, it'll be job done from him and goodbye when he doesn't get what he wants to take us forward, we'll end up with another limited manager just happy to be in the job and whether we stay up or not would be anyones guess but if Rafa goes I won't give a flying f*** anyway. All day long, myself and a good few of the lads I sit around reckon this will be the most likely scenario. If this does happen anyone going back deserves the shit the club serves up regardless. They've a golden ticket with Rafa and to turn it all around, blow it this time and I'm done with it. People need to remind themselves of the crap we've put up with during Ashleys ownership ( i'm not buying into the total fluke season we finished high under Pardew) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 What the fuck is he saying before games? Fucking bullshit for months now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Struggling to see him as the saviour lately like. Bottling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 He has made lots of mistakes. Lots and lots of mistakes. All that tinkering from the last game is so stupid and the players look so under-motivated. Everyone going through the motions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Not be here next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Not be here next season. Give over man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 We are lucky to have him and he is rightfully loved by everyone, but surely we all expected him to do better this season than we are currently doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 He's been a 5/10 this season come match day. Line up the excuses for him, but it's the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 No, it's your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Pretty worrying how he completely refuses to drop the captain, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 We are lucky to have him and he is rightfully loved by everyone, but surely we all expected him to do better this season than we are currently doing? Promotion is all that matters and I would have taken automatic promotion of any kind at the start of the season. But not winning the title along the way is a disappointment. No two ways about that I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 He's done it twice before during the season, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Lascelles needed dropping for months and we're sticking with a rigid formation that doesnt suit any of our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 He deserves all the criticism that can thrown at him for some of this 'defending', like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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