LFEE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Hmm, would be a lot more optimistic of him going and/or getting that fee, had they (or any club) approached us for him. Surely it doesn't give the selling club a position of strength in a deal, when you/the agent is touting the player around? All that happens is NUFC say to his agent if you can find him a club do so and that's his price. The agent obviously aware Lyon looking for a possible CF has went to them and asked if they'd be interested. There's your story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Sorry, from Rafa apparently? It's in the mirror Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest reefatoon Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I heard it was a swap deal for Giggs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds quite similar to McCarthy but about £20m cheaper. Nah McCarthy is actually a very good midfielder defensively. He tends to hide when his team is in possession though, never seems to want a pass, even though he is decent technically so perhaps that could be worked on. Clucas from what I saw wasn't great defensively but was always making himself an option for a pass off the ball Eamonn Dunphy in the Irish media called him a waste of space and all but suggested he'd conspired to get his manager (Martinez) sacked. Even if there's a snippet of truth in that I'd stay well clear Eamonn Dunphy makes a living from talking and writing s*** I absolutely love him but he really doesn't have a clue. Martinez loved McCarthy This. Martinez's Everton with McCarthy in it were excellent by and large. It was only when he was out injured for a while that the wheels come off. Everton fans I speak to say the reason the wheels fell off was because Martinez was useless and couldn't organise a defence for love or money. McCarthy is a good player though. They weren't saying that when McCarthy was in the team and they were fighting for top four. It was when he got injured in his second season and they were defensively more open that the criticism was levelled at Martinez. Fairly so to some level but I seem to recall he lost Baines and Jagielka to various medium term injuries whilst Mori's was adjusting to life in the league also which compounded his demise there. This is total rubbish tbh mate. Martinez is a terrible manager, ridiculously stubborn and arrogant in sticking with the same rigid tactics that do not work. Completely incapable of coaching a defence or organising a team. He didn't even practice attacking or defending set pieces in training, which was blatantly obvious on the pitch. His first season was a success because he inherited Moyes' defence which was rock solid and had been one of the best in the league for donkeys years. Within 12 months he had completely ruined it and we were a farce at the back. His downfall was nothing to do with McCarthy or injuries. As for McCarthy, he's not much of a passer and doesn't get forward enough when the game opens up for him but he can be excellent at breaking up play and has a good engine. He was really good for us in his first season. Second and third seasons he was rubbish whenever he played between injuries. Last season, he struggled with injuries again but was good when he played. Seemed to regain his form under Koeman. He'd be good to keep as a back-up/rotation player but is probably too valuable not to cash in on and he earns about 50k a week. Something Newcastle fans will have to get used to if you sign McCarthy is the whole Irish circus. O'Neill and Keane have rushed him back from injury two or three times now, causing him to break down again. When Koeman complains about this, they then slag Everton off in the media. The good thing about selling him would be never having to read another article about the latest nonsense from that pair of pricks. When you say rubbish you mean non of this happened? Everton fans happy with Martinez 1st season not the 2nd. Played with attacking flair to achieve 5th. McCarthy along with that back four was vital to Martinez's team that first season and they were missed when injured. I never said it was Martinez's defence. I never said he could organise one or adapt without key players missing hence stating the criticism of him was justified at times. I never said McCarthy was a great forward passer. You agreed he was good first season and not the same since injury. Starting to think you meant to reply to someone else First two paragraphs replying to you. Second two just talking generally about McCarthy, maybe would have been better in a separate post tbf. Defending Martinez's abilities and making McCarthy's form out to be instrumental in his downfall is what I was calling rubbish. Because it is. Obviously fans were happy when we finished 5th We thought Martinez was a good manager because of that. Within 6 months it was apparent that he wasn't and had got lucky inheriting a great defence. He tweaked Moyes' team to make us a bit more attacking in the first season and it worked well (went from 6th to 5th). Following seasons we had the worst joke of a defence in the league, despite having plenty of good players. We didn't even play decent football going forward in those seasons either. It was boring tippy tappy sideways stuff that went nowhere for the most part. There were no mitigating circumstances for Martinez's failure. It was purely down to his arrogant delusions that he was another Guardiola and that defending doesn't matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. We've been linked with a certain player he managed at Real Madrid but I can't see it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Sounds quite similar to McCarthy but about £20m cheaper. Nah McCarthy is actually a very good midfielder defensively. He tends to hide when his team is in possession though, never seems to want a pass, even though he is decent technically so perhaps that could be worked on. Clucas from what I saw wasn't great defensively but was always making himself an option for a pass off the ball Eamonn Dunphy in the Irish media called him a waste of space and all but suggested he'd conspired to get his manager (Martinez) sacked. Even if there's a snippet of truth in that I'd stay well clear Eamonn Dunphy makes a living from talking and writing s*** I absolutely love him but he really doesn't have a clue. Martinez loved McCarthy This. Martinez's Everton with McCarthy in it were excellent by and large. It was only when he was out injured for a while that the wheels come off. Everton fans I speak to say the reason the wheels fell off was because Martinez was useless and couldn't organise a defence for love or money. McCarthy is a good player though. They weren't saying that when McCarthy was in the team and they were fighting for top four. It was when he got injured in his second season and they were defensively more open that the criticism was levelled at Martinez. Fairly so to some level but I seem to recall he lost Baines and Jagielka to various medium term injuries whilst Mori's was adjusting to life in the league also which compounded his demise there. This is total rubbish tbh mate. Martinez is a terrible manager, ridiculously stubborn and arrogant in sticking with the same rigid tactics that do not work. Completely incapable of coaching a defence or organising a team. He didn't even practice attacking or defending set pieces in training, which was blatantly obvious on the pitch. His first season was a success because he inherited Moyes' defence which was rock solid and had been one of the best in the league for donkeys years. Within 12 months he had completely ruined it and we were a farce at the back. His downfall was nothing to do with McCarthy or injuries. As for McCarthy, he's not much of a passer and doesn't get forward enough when the game opens up for him but he can be excellent at breaking up play and has a good engine. He was really good for us in his first season. Second and third seasons he was rubbish whenever he played between injuries. Last season, he struggled with injuries again but was good when he played. Seemed to regain his form under Koeman. He'd be good to keep as a back-up/rotation player but is probably too valuable not to cash in on and he earns about 50k a week. Something Newcastle fans will have to get used to if you sign McCarthy is the whole Irish circus. O'Neill and Keane have rushed him back from injury two or three times now, causing him to break down again. When Koeman complains about this, they then slag Everton off in the media. The good thing about selling him would be never having to read another article about the latest nonsense from that pair of pricks. When you say rubbish you mean non of this happened? Everton fans happy with Martinez 1st season not the 2nd. Played with attacking flair to achieve 5th. McCarthy along with that back four was vital to Martinez's team that first season and they were missed when injured. I never said it was Martinez's defence. I never said he could organise one or adapt without key players missing hence stating the criticism of him was justified at times. I never said McCarthy was a great forward passer. You agreed he was good first season and not the same since injury. Starting to think you meant to reply to someone else First two paragraphs replying to you. Second two just talking generally about McCarthy, maybe would have been better in a separate post tbf. Defending Martinez's abilities and making McCarthy's form out to be instrumental in his downfall is what I was calling rubbish. Because it is. Obviously fans were happy when we finished 5th We thought Martinez was a good manager because of that. Within 6 months it was apparent that he wasn't and had got lucky inheriting a great defence. He tweaked Moyes' team to make us a bit more attacking in the first season and it worked well (went from 6th to 5th). Following seasons we had the worst joke of a defence in the league, despite having plenty of good players. We didn't even play decent football going forward in those seasons either. It was boring tippy tappy sideways stuff that went nowhere for the most part. There were no mitigating circumstances for Martinez's failure. It was purely down to his arrogant delusions that he was another Guardiola and that defending doesn't matter. I thought as much I wasn't trying to defend his abilities as I agree with his particular defensive shortfalls. I was highlighting how when certain key players are missing it threw his attacking tactics out of balance in particular McCarthy who the discussion is about. He tinkered because he never could replace him and every time he came back it was too early and never fit or possibly even the same player which yourself alluded to. Somehow you've wanted to make this more about Martinez tenure at Everton which I wasn't. I just think McCarthy played a big part of the success of his first season as manager and if he along with the back four had of stayed fit I think you would've had a better second season then you ended up having. So I'm not endorsing Martinez. I'm simply saying the cristiscm was too far the other way as had the plaudits been the previous season. In many respects you could see parallels with Ranieri and Leicester. Built on back 4 foundations of previous regime. Inserted Kante. Stuck to a formula. Next season back 4 picked up injuries. Sold Kante. Tinkered. Anyway... Rafa looks to have his eyes elsewhere http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. We've been linked with a certain player he managed at Real Madrid but I can't see it! Who's that then? I must have missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. We've been linked with a certain player he managed at Real Madrid but I can't see it! Who's that then? I must have missed it. Kovacic I believe...we can dream eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. We've been linked with a certain player he managed at Real Madrid but I can't see it! Who's that then? I must have missed it. Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Has this already been posted?? “He (James McCarthy) is a good player but we now have a lot of them at this club. “We have been linked with around 100 players but he is not our first target at the moment.” Who's quote is it? Rafa's from his interview... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-james-mccarthy-everton-13352565 Interesting, not like Rafa to comment on players we are looking at. If it's true then I wonder who our first target is? Be a bit of a comedown for McCarthy to be second choice to Clucas. We've been linked with a certain player he managed at Real Madrid but I can't see it! Who's that then? I must have missed it. Kovacic I believe...we can dream eh. Probably why I missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Zero chance we are getting Kovacic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Zero chance we are getting Kovacic. I wouldnt say 0% but its pretty low Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Unreal, Rafa spunk the 70M on him, super class at defending and splitting up play and class at dictating rythym. Top Top player, never understood how casemeiro keeps him out the team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Unreal, Rafa spunk the 70M on him, super class at defending and splitting up play and class at dictating rythym. Top Top player, never understood how casemeiro keeps him out the team... Because Casemiro is there to break up play and just play it simple, which he is one of the worlds best at and much much better than Kovacic at. He doesn't need to dictate anything as Kroos and Modric does that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Casemeiro just has more energy. He covers more ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Still remember all the stick Rafa got for starting Casemiro instead of any combo of Kroos/Modric/James/Isco... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 How come nobody has gone in for that ante coric yet? Was he not supposed to be on many sides radar including us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Aye but Zidane does it and he's a genius. Rafa should have stuck by his guns when picking the team against Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Aye but Zidane does it and he's a genius. Rafa should have stuck by his guns when picking the team against Barca. Benítez never had the standing Zidane has to weather the toxic media politics in Madrid. He was under pressure to not appear defensive at a home game against Barça and paid the price. We cut through them like butter that day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 A new number 10 would be nice. Hope we are after one and not relying on Perez, Diame or even SDJ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Tim Vickery saying Diego Rolan would be a good fit for us. Rated him quite highly also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Keeper seems Rafa's next priority , which is whacked if you ask me, or maybe that's all a smoke screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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