NEEJ Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just over two weeks of the transfer window left. No sign of anything of note happening, basically doing the absolute bare minimum yet again and hoping it's enough. Am I allowed to say this summer's been a f***ing disgrace yet? They're laughing at us. If it ends with just Joselu through the door now then it's been an absolute farce. We need a GK and a LB, along with a goalscorer and a creative midfielder. That should be the absolute minimum we're aiming for but I've no faith we'll even come close. Mike Ashley is a fucking cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 It's been the worst transfer window I can remember, easily. We've had less active windows but not with a squad this poor. It's strange like. Me and some mates were saying our championship window was better than this. Say for example we got promoted with a different squad, and it was this window we signed Ritchie for 12mil, Gayle for 10mil and Yedlin etc. We would probably agree, that while not amazing, they are competitive signings for a team expecting to fight for survival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 When you put it into the context of Pardew and McClaren having relatively expensive, often overpriced, but highly rated players thrown at them at times, it's tragic. The best manager the club could possibly attract if it was already doing well, being restricted from buying realistic, promising, and reasonably priced players, by the owner of the club that single handedly put the club into a position where having that manager is the biggest get out of jail the owner and the club could ever dream of. It really is a masterpiece in incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 It hasn't been good but I think there's been worse. The Anita summer was ridiculous, the Remy one arguably even moreso. The one where we signed Bowyer set us back and the window under Roeder where we signed Martins and Duff was rubbish (Oba aside). This has been frustrating but we've signed some decent-looking players in positions that we needed to strengthen/bolster numbers-wise, so compared to those ones mentioned I'd say it's marginally better. Especially given the marketplace, given the amount of dross we can't shift and given the fact we've just come up. But to be outspent by the likes of Brighton and Huddersfield is obviously an embarrassment and is yet another example of the bullshit board and owner we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just over two weeks of the transfer window left. No sign of anything of note happening, basically doing the absolute bare minimum yet again and hoping it's enough. Am I allowed to say this summer's been a f***ing disgrace yet? They're laughing at us. Absolutely. I feel like we need Joselu in tomorrow and that is Daryl replaced. But for this window to be even semi respectable we need to shift the deadwood and sign 2 more players in the "12mil+" bracket, each. Who are they though? Unless you go abroad and get some unproven players, players you'd expect to be £12m these days in the Prem the club will ask for £20m. End up having to pay £12m for shite Prem players actually worth like £5m and wouldnt improve us anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just over two weeks of the transfer window left. No sign of anything of note happening, basically doing the absolute bare minimum yet again and hoping it's enough. Am I allowed to say this summer's been a f***ing disgrace yet? They're laughing at us. Absolutely. I feel like we need Joselu in tomorrow and that is Daryl replaced. But for this window to be even semi respectable we need to shift the deadwood and sign 2 more players in the "12mil+" bracket, each. Who are they though? Unless you go abroad and get some unproven players, players you'd expect to be £12m these days in the Prem the club will ask for £20m. End up having to pay £12m for s**** Prem players actually worth like £5m and wouldnt improve us anyway I'm not Graham Carr ffs I did say 12 plus like. That's the minimum outlay we need to spend on 2 players. Unfortunately the chance of us spending around £30mil on 2 players looks worlds away. But it's what we need, so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Just saying. The market this summer is undoubtely fucking us over as well like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 It hasn't been good but I think there's been worse. The Anita summer was ridiculous, the Remy one arguably even moreso. The one where we signed Bowyer set us back and the window under Roeder where we signed Martins and Duff was rubbish (Oba aside). This has been frustrating but we've signed some decent-looking players in positions that we needed to strengthen/bolster numbers-wise, so compared to those ones mentioned I'd say it's marginally better. Especially given the marketplace, given the amount of dross we can't shift and given the fact we've just come up. But to be outspent by the likes of Brighton and Huddersfield is obviously an embarrassment and is yet another example of the bullshit board and owner we have. Aye, this is pretty much how I feel as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 It hasn't been good but I think there's been worse. The Anita summer was ridiculous, the Remy one arguably even moreso. The one where we signed Bowyer set us back and the window under Roeder where we signed Martins and Duff was rubbish (Oba aside). Sibierski was a hero for us. One of my all time favorites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I would say that's the cost for the relegation, and the fact that Ashley unwilling to give out his own money. I actually think it's a decent window considering our limitation of fund. Our purchases all looks great deals (early stage though) and our starting eleven are strong enough to contain the best team in the league. That's a looooooot better than I expect. If we are lucky to shift the dead woods before the deadline close, and able to bring in 1 more CB and 1 veteran GK, then we would be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 of the 11 v Spurs was our Championship team. The same team that lost 10 games in the Championship and that most of us agreed back in May would get murdered in the Premier League. 11 v 11 we looked capable of stopping Spurs from scoring, which is a positive and it's something Rafa is very good at, but at some point we are going to have to break teams down and take 3 points. All of our signings look like punts because, with the possible exception of Lejeune, none have impressed consistently at this level at any stage of their careers. That's not to say they are bad punts, but we needed at least a couple of players who've done it consistently at a high level, players who the selling club want to keep or who other clubs are also fighting for. We still need those players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 That's why we cannot sell Mitrovic at this moment. Normally to break team down, the options are counter attack, magic plays or aerial threat. We have pacy wingers and striker (Atsu, Gayle), we don't have magicians (like HBA), so we still need some aerial threat. Mitrovic is decent, and let's hope Joselu is even better at this. In the end, what we need most is a bunch of players that can 100% carried out our manager's plan. Rafa is our best weapon. As long as we have players who listen to Rafa, and able to carried out the tactics on pitch (as shown vs Spurs), we are a mid table team. We are much better than when we relegate, as a team, not as individual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think the window has been disappointing, but not terrible like some of the examples people have given where only one or two players were brought in and then with more regard to their prices than what was needed on the pitch. Since Murphy was brought in for 10M, I think there must be other money for a striker. Otherwise that purchase smacks of mistaken priorities. I think we'll see a keeper come in too. They both may be well down Benitez' lists however. With a better keeper, Yedlin or better backup RB, better backup LB, better/more competition at CB, better than Colback CM, better LM options, and Gayle + better backup strikers, we should do mid-table type okay so long as Rafa is around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think there is up front funds but an unwilling to increase the wage bill until some of the extended squad is moved on. Need some champ teams to get injuries and then panic buy or loan the likes of Hanley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 That's why we cannot sell Mitrovic at this moment. Normally to break team down, the options are counter attack, magic plays or aerial threat. We have pacy wingers and striker (Atsu, Gayle), we don't have magicians (like HBA), so we still need some aerial threat. Mitrovic is decent, and let's hope Joselu is even better at this. In the end, what we need most is a bunch of players that can 100% carried out our manager's plan. Rafa is our best weapon. As long as we have players who listen to Rafa, and able to carried out the tactics on pitch (as shown vs Spurs), we are a mid table team. We are much better than when we relegate, as a team, not as individual. Mitro is not "decent" in the air, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think the window has been disappointing, but not terrible like some of the examples people have given where only one or two players were brought in and then with more regard to their prices than what was needed on the pitch. Since Murphy was brought in for 10M, I think there must be other money for a striker. Otherwise that purchase smacks of mistaken priorities. I think we'll see a keeper come in too. They both may be well down Benitez' lists however. With a better keeper, Yedlin or better backup RB, better backup LB, better/more competition at CB, better than Colback CM, better LM options, and Gayle + better backup strikers, we should do mid-table type okay so long as Rafa is around. I think it's fairly certain that this is the case. We spent that money on Murphy for the resale value. Luckily Rafa must like him as a player too, he certainly seems to have the right mentality to play for us. However, we clearly needed a keeper and a striker, which Rafa identified and tried to rectify. How we've brought neither in (obviously if and when Joselu is announced this will change) is baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I don't think Murphy was a mistake. Atsu form is largely unexpected. Had he been as ineffective as last year, Murphy should be starting. But I agree, look back if we spent the whole 16m on a striker we would be in a much better position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 of the 11 v Spurs was our Championship team. The same team that lost 10 games in the Championship and that most of us agreed back in May would get murdered in the Premier League. 11 v 11 we looked capable of stopping Spurs from scoring, which is a positive and it's something Rafa is very good at, but at some point we are going to have to break teams down and take 3 points. All of our signings look like punts because, with the possible exception of Lejeune, none have impressed consistently at this level at any stage of their careers. That's not to say they are bad punts, but we needed at least a couple of players who've done it consistently at a high level, players who the selling club want to keep or who other clubs are also fighting for. We still need those players. I agree with this. I want to like the players we have bought,but the majority of them still have to prove themselves at this level over a season. If any of them can make a real impact in helping us have a decent season then they will prove their worth in gold, but we've seen the last time in this division that signing hopefuls like Mitro and Perez is usually not enough. Here's hoping though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 A £16m striker still takes £100-130k wages (see Chicharito) which clearly the club still won't pay, so it's not like we'd have spent the Murphy money on one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Anybody hear Don Hutchison on Talk Sport? Did he say something about seeking to get a Martinez (Javi?) on loan? Apols if bollocks. Half-heard the comment (maybe wishful thinking/clutching at straws affecting my hearing!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Javi Martinez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Anybody hear Don Hutchison on Talk Sport? Did he say something about seeking to get a Martinez (Javi?) on loan? Apols if bollocks. Half-heard the comment (maybe wishful thinking/clutching at straws affecting my hearing!) He talking about Merino who he has seen quite a bit and rates highly and I think he said that he could be NUFC's Martinez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Talking about signing a striker, I think Gayle is decent enough, and I prefer to spend the money on a no.10 instead. Sadly to say Perez is still too inconsistent to rely on and we need to upgrade this position more than Gayle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Javi Martinez I would cream my pants if *we* loaned Javi Martínez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Since Murphy was brought in for 10M, I think there must be other money for a striker. Otherwise that purchase smacks of mistaken priorities. I think we'll see a keeper come in too. They both may be well down Benitez' lists however. I find this interesting and it was something I was thinking about the other day. When we forked out, by our stingey standards, quite a lot for Murphy (£12m, wasn't it)? I thought it was a good sign, as we must have a bit to spend. I mean we needed another wide option or two. But not more than a striker, no.10 or left back IMO. Plus we knew Rafa was in the market for a keeper. But it hasn't really played out like that, especially after seeing the Ashley interview. I wonder if it was a case of Rafa being promised more money than he got, or just foolishly thinking he had more of a budget to work with? Or perhaps he thought it would be easier to shift some of the shite and high earners? Whatever the reasons. It seems odd that our most expensive signing this summer, is probably going to be a winger from the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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