The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Liverpool and Napoli are two of the biggest clubs in the world though. Its not unrealistic for clubs of their stature to sign world class players. If we signed a world class player most outside of our club would be calling that player all sorts for doing so. We have to go for the "could become world class in a few years" bracket imo. At best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Aye 28 is the peak of value. All downhill from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/03/27/report-everton-linked-with-4-million-swoop-for-canadas-larin/ We should absolutely be in there at that price. I know the MLS quality is arguable but he's easily in the top 3 strikers in the league. Four million is a no-brainer at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Wrong thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Liverpool and Napoli are two of the biggest clubs in the world though. Its not unrealistic for clubs of their stature to sign world class players. If we signed a world class player most outside of our club would be calling that player all sorts for doing so. We have to go for the "could become world class in a few years" bracket imo. Napoli are well known but they're hardly a massive club like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 More of an iconic club thanks to Maradona. Probably bigger than NUFC like... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 More of an iconic club thanks to Maradona. Probably bigger than NUFC like... See this is where it's so subjective about what a big/successful club means etc. For example, Leicester city have won 2 league cups and 1 league title in the last 20 years. We may have better support, but Leicester have been a million times more successful than us in that time despite being below us in the table for 80/95% (don't know the exact stats) of that period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 If our board sold Siggy for 15m it would be unbelievable, he's worth much much more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 More of an iconic club thanks to Maradona. Probably bigger than NUFC like... See this is where it's so subjective about what a big/successful club means etc. For example, Leicester city have won 2 league cups and 1 league title in the last 20 years. We may have better support, but Leicester have been a million times more successful than us in that time despite being below us in the table for 80/95% (don't know the exact stats) of that period. You can look at clubs like Luton and Watford and they too have won trophies in the past 30 years...we have been the UK's biggest underperformers EVER when you consider crowd sizes and financial turnover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 More of an iconic club thanks to Maradona. Probably bigger than NUFC like... See this is where it's so subjective about what a big/successful club means etc. For example, Leicester city have won 2 league cups and 1 league title in the last 20 years. We may have better support, but Leicester have been a million times more successful than us in that time despite being below us in the table for 80/95% (don't know the exact stats) of that period. You can look at clubs like Luton and Watford and they too have won trophies in the past 30 years...we have been the UK's biggest underperformers EVER when you consider crowd sizes and financial turnover. Watford? Coventry City have but Watford have never won a major domestic trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I like to keep is simple and think only about the size of the fanbase, average home attendance when looking at the subjective question of how 'big' a club is. In the Leicester comparison above, I'd say we're a much bigger club. They've been more successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 god the big club discussion, will it ever die? big doesn't relate to things won imo, it relates purely to fanbase local and non-local Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Fanbase is just an accident of geography and/or due to attracting glory hunters anyway. I don't see why it's taken so seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Fanbase is just an accident of geography and/or due to attracting glory hunters anyway. I don't see why it's taken so seriously. it's a major factor in a club being 'big' that's all i'm saying...look at monaco, won plenty of things and have/had rich owners but by no stretch of the imagination are they 'big' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Yeah I guess so, the problem I have is the value judgement attached to it. Fans go crazy about who had the biggest crowds or who has empty seats. If you have to judge who is big at all then I guess it's one way, I wouldn't bother with the debate at all TBH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I wouldn't bother with the debate at all TBH. me either but some fans have to find ways to prove how/why they're better than other fans/clubs i suppose must help them sleep at night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 It's embarresing claiming clubs are big just because of the fan base size and attendance on a Newcastle forum ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm not embarrassed at all, it's a perfectly valid viewpoint. Are you denying that Newcastle United is arguably one of the top 10 'biggest' clubs in England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Being 'big' is meaningless. We're not a successful club - in that sense we're on a par with Huddersfield and Preston. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 It's embarresing claiming clubs are big just because of the fan base size and attendance on a Newcastle forum ffs A club is a place of membership/support hence NUFC are one of the biggest clubs in the world. The problem is people don't seem to have the intelligence to separate a big club and a successful club or rich club and just use the term big as all encompassing. As far as a successful club we are still in the top 10 of trophies won in England I'd reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 We are undoubtedly a big club, one of the biggest in the world. It doesn't really mean anything though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Being 'big' is meaningless. We're not a successful club - in that sense we're on a par with Huddersfield and Preston. Well, on the first point it depends on the context. The perceived 'size' of the club arguably does increase the likelihood of getting bigger names, management or players, through the door, than a smaller club, all things being equal. For example, I doubt Rafa Benitez would have gone to a club like Crystal Palace for example, when Pardew was sacked. Also I believe there's a sense that the 'bigger' the club, the more likely that there is that success can be brought there. As to whether how true or not I'll leave to statisticians but I'll wager that there's not many clubs with gates of less than 15-20k winning things very often in comparison to those with gates regularly over 35k. You could argue that one causes the other, but here are we, and Leeds, and some other clubs that still get high gates despite limited or no success. Because the word 'big' is so vague, I think it really does come down to the context. When it's just lobbied around in the fashion of 'X are a big club', I always interpret that to be the size of the support, mostly locally within a country, and the average gates, but that's my own interpretation of the term. And yeah on success I don't disagree at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason chelsea have grown as they've won trophies, i'm sure they could match our 50k no bother and more and have grown a following around the country and world over the last 10 years...it's the same point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Not really but you can't disregard winning trophys. Chelsea are arguably a bigger club than us now for that reason chelsea have grown as they've won trophies, i'm sure they could match our 50k no bother and more and have grown a following around the country and world over the last 10 years...it's the same point I'd agree that they'd easily fill a ground of 50k and then some, coupled with their recent successes, they are a bigger club than us. It's a bit of an argument around the intangibles but that's what a debate around the word 'big' becomes when it's used without delimiting context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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