Interpolic Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sometimes you have to pay the going rate, we've all seen what happens when you insist on every incoming deal being a "bargain" with the aim of selling on at a higher price later on. You get relegated. Twice. It's a false economy that costs you financially and in a sporting sense, shame we seemingly haven't learnt this by now. We spent 80m when we got relegated... The problem wasn't how much we spent, it was spending it on the incorrect players Ofcourse McClaren takes a blame for poor coaching etc but in the past 2 seasons we havent consistently gone for bargain players Bakumbu only made 17 starts last season due to a poor injury record, with West Ham reportably having a 20m plus offer rejected, is he really worth us spending a large chunk of our budget on? Its a big risk imo We spent 80m after years and years of spending next to nowt and if you look at the players we bought it was the same old story of signing personnel mainly on the basis of resale value when we needed players for the here and now with the right talent and characteristics. We very rarely pay the going rate for players that are likely to come in and do a job, it's always about saving a few quid here and there. The example here being Bakambu, yes he has no PL experience but looking at him, he's mobile, strong and a good finisher so there's no reason he wouldn't succeed. But we'll only ever sign players like that if it's below market rate and/or we think we can perhaps turn a profit later on. Having that attitude to all deals doesn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiresias Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I would agree spending big on unknown quantities is a risk, not sure about Bakumbu, and it is about the right players. You pay extra for players who have done well for a few seasons on end in premier league, but you can rely on them. Sigurdson for example, not sure we ever did / do have a chance to pick him up, but sorry for guaranteed double figures goals and assists from midfield in the premier league is easily the difference between a good season and a bad one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Its only July ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Wait till August IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Have we signed PEA yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sometimes you have to pay the going rate, we've all seen what happens when you insist on every incoming deal being a "bargain" with the aim of selling on at a higher price later on. You get relegated. Twice. It's a false economy that costs you financially and in a sporting sense, shame we seemingly haven't learnt this by now. We spent 80m when we got relegated... The problem wasn't how much we spent, it was spending it on the incorrect players Ofcourse McClaren takes a blame for poor coaching etc but in the past 2 seasons we havent consistently gone for bargain players Bakumbu only made 17 starts last season due to a poor injury record, with West Ham reportably having a 20m plus offer rejected, is he really worth us spending a large chunk of our budget on? Its a big risk imo We spent 80m after years and years of spending next to nowt and if you look at the players we bought it was the same old story of signing personnel mainly on the basis of resale value when we needed players for the here and now with the right talent and characteristics. We very rarely pay the going rate for players that are likely to come in and do a job, it's always about saving a few quid here and there. The example here being Bakambu, yes he has no PL experience but looking at him, he's mobile, strong and a good finisher so there's no reason he wouldn't succeed. But we'll only ever sign players like that if it's below market rate and/or we think we can perhaps turn a profit later on. Having that attitude to all deals doesn't work. I agree in the relegation season we needed players for the here and now, players like Mitrovic a prime example didnt work out. We paid big on players like him and Thauvin, in hope the value would increase for possible future profit and the risk didnt pay off However we havent done this for all players, this past season has been different, signing older players such as Gamez, Murphy etc it hasn't just been about cutting costs or future transfer fees but about getting the job done People think we have this massive budget where we can hoy 20m bids at players such as Ake like Bournemouth have done, but the difference is they only needed to invest in a couple of players when we need (in my opinion) atleast six players. We still have Riviere, Saviet, De jong, Hanley, Murphy, Gamez, Haidara, Lazaar etc who we need to shift off the wage bill, and our budget needs to stretch a long way Our transfers are critical to the club staying up this season and hopefully building something for the future, we have to make sure recruitment is bang on this season Although its frustrating, I understand the skeptism of the club spending big on one 'unproven' player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Its only July ffs No signings #RIOT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 9 minutes in. Where are the signings Mike? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Its begun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Sometimes you have to pay the going rate, we've all seen what happens when you insist on every incoming deal being a "bargain" with the aim of selling on at a higher price later on. You get relegated. Twice. It's a false economy that costs you financially and in a sporting sense, shame we seemingly haven't learnt this by now. We spent 80m when we got relegated... The problem wasn't how much we spent, it was spending it on the incorrect players Ofcourse McClaren takes a blame for poor coaching etc but in the past 2 seasons we havent consistently gone for bargain players Bakumbu only made 17 starts last season due to a poor injury record, with West Ham reportably having a 20m plus offer rejected, is he really worth us spending a large chunk of our budget on? Its a big risk imo We spent 80m after years and years of spending next to nowt and if you look at the players we bought it was the same old story of signing personnel mainly on the basis of resale value when we needed players for the here and now with the right talent and characteristics. We very rarely pay the going rate for players that are likely to come in and do a job, it's always about saving a few quid here and there. The example here being Bakambu, yes he has no PL experience but looking at him, he's mobile, strong and a good finisher so there's no reason he wouldn't succeed. But we'll only ever sign players like that if it's below market rate and/or we think we can perhaps turn a profit later on. Having that attitude to all deals doesn't work. I agree in the relegation season we needed players for the here and now, players like Mitrovic a prime example didnt work out. We paid big on players like him and Thauvin, in hope the value would increase for possible future profit and the risk didnt pay off However we havent done this for all players, this past season has been different, signing older players such as Gamez, Murphy etc it hasn't just been about cutting costs or future transfer fees but about getting the job done People think we have this massive budget where we can hoy 20m bids at players such as Ake like Bournemouth have done, but the difference is they only needed to invest in a couple of players when we need (in my opinion) atleast six players. We still have Riviere, Saviet, De jong, Hanley, Murphy, Gamez, Haidara, Lazaar etc who we need to shift off the wage bill, and our budget needs to stretch a long way Our transfers are critical to the club staying up this season and hopefully building something for the future, we have to make sure recruitment is bang on this season Although its frustrating, I understand the skeptism of the club spending big on one 'unproven' player You make a fair point yeah, we need to spread the transfer outlay well but I think if we spend it all on "bargains" they won't end up being bargains at all. We need to spend the going rate on at least 2 or 3 players that will come into the first team and be important players, ideally those players will be down the spine of the team or we're going to be very lightweight next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 #wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Merry Christmas lads x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 it happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Two more sleeps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 No worries. Krul, Saivet, et al are like new signings! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 be rather hilarious if we did have a flood of signings now purely because we'd know it is all down to the books Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Runs down the stairs, looks under the tree.... oh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Runs down the stairs, looks under the tree.... oh. And then you see a gift card which says "We're monitoring until next December, Merry Christmas". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Why havn't we signed anyone. It's July. I'm going back to bed in disgust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 7 hours and 28 minutes in and fuck all has happened. Mike, what are you doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Acceptable, or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Where's Odin to tell us were all cunts and everything is fine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Page 500...July 1st....as good a time as any to lock this thread and start a new one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 It's July now. Can we start being worried now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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