Sir Toon Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 The fact that we have the Burnley home game on transfer window closing night cranks things up a notch as it'll be toxic if we've done nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Werw, when did Shelvey become a 20 million player, I must have missed that run of games. We overpaid for him, massively. Nah, you just missed the market changing. The market where, for example, other English players such as Andre Gray (£18.5m), Oxlade Chamberlain (£35m), Danny Drinkwater (£34m), Jordan Pickford (£25m), Michael Keane (£35m), Kyle Walker (£50m), John Stones (£50m) aren't worth what they're bought for either. Shelvey didn't become a £20m player, a £20m player became Shelvey. Either way he's certainly not a £12m player. £12m for even a relatively established English player now gets you someone like Sam Clucas, Will Hughes, or if you're lucky Jack Cork. All overpriced, but each a better player in what they do and their role for their respective club’s than Shelvey. 12m though is a p*ss take given we probably paid that for him, no? Andre Gray isn't like, arguably Michael Keane as well. Put it this way, Jay Rodriguez was £12m, and yes he's a striker and it's slightly different, but those players above are on the new scale. Shelvey on that scale as anything less than a £16m player is outrageous imo. To my shame I always assumed Jay Rodriguez would be South American. Oh little old vile racist me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Why is Shelvey worth £12m? More red cards than goals & assists I think this season? I know prices have increased across the board but just because once or twice a game he'll produce a Hollywood pass doesn't represent him being worth that much. He's not very mobile, is supposed to be at his peak, and can be a liability. I reckon Rafa could find better for a similar price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Must say I'm fascinated how many are experts at Merino's game, he's barely played for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey is bang average at best in this league and I honestly think someone like Rafa would be able to pick up a central player abroad somewhere who would be better than him, but because hes english and has premier league experience we could and probably should squeeze more than 12 million from any potential sale, but why would anyone want him, hes not exactly been good so far this season has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm nowhere near Shelvey's biggest fan but I do think his round game has been a bit better in recent weeks still think he's not very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I, for one, despise Shelvey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey is easily worth 20m, like. That's just the going rate these days for players in and around his ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Graves is basically a mouthpiece for the club ffs. I met Graves a couple of years ago at the Phillippe Albert talk in and he's a Newcastle fanatic he's had a couple of season tickets for years, he comes from Hexham and I don't think he's a mouthpiece for the club at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Shelvey has started our last 4 games man. We're not in a position to flog anyone except fringe players who aren't contributing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sergio Georgini linked Glad that cultural reference wasn’t lost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 We know how it goes. We will be pressing on, then frustrated, making progress. Then told the other team is wanting to bring a replacement in before selling. Then moving on to other targets, fake sensational last minute bids, go back in for previous player with more derisory bids then the window shuts with deafening silence from the club for the last 12 hours. Next day late on messages of how we tried hard, manager seething, board frustrated they couldn't get targets. Markets is bad and too expensive which makes things hard yada yada. Then a week or two later identifying then monitoring targets for the summer, scouting games for unknown players that never come to light or fruition. Drawing up two lists for stay up or go down. Both lists will then be on hold while contract talks with the manager hang over the clubs head, back to square one as window approaches. It's the same thing every bloody January Finally a bit of talk in the media about us not breaking our transfer record since 2006, and all of sudden we're bidding £20m for an unnamed striker. Aye, right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 We know how it goes. We will be pressing on, then frustrated, making progress. Then told the other team is wanting to bring a replacement in before selling. Then moving on to other targets, fake sensational last minute bids, go back in for previous player with more derisory bids then the window shuts with deafening silence from the club for the last 12 hours. Next day late on messages of how we tried hard, manager seething, board frustrated they couldn't get targets. Markets is bad and too expensive which makes things hard yada yada. Then a week or two later identifying then monitoring targets for the summer, scouting games for unknown players that never come to light or fruition. Drawing up two lists for stay up or go down. Both lists will then be on hold while contract talks with the manager hang over the clubs head, back to square one as window approaches. It's the same thing every bloody January Finally a bit of talk in the media about us not breaking our transfer record since 2006, and all of sudden we're bidding £20m for an unnamed striker. Aye, right Followed by a "frustrating day" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Brighton bid for Mitro - SSN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Why is Shelvey worth £12m? More red cards than goals & assists I think this season? I know prices have increased across the board but just because once or twice a game he'll produce a Hollywood pass doesn't represent him being worth that much. He's not very mobile, is supposed to be at his peak, and can be a liability. I reckon Rafa could find better for a similar price. I think he is restricted here. The role he carries reflects his goals and assists, not sure why people make the assumption he should be higher on assists and goals in a side that rarely covert their chances and he is played much too deep for him to get forward to get goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Brighton bid for Mitro - SSN. £7m probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Really don’t get the easy way some on here are dismissing what Shelvey offers. You need a squad with different strengths; in our price range players with Shelvey’s strengths will come with some weaknesses. IMO he’s not the greatest athlete but he’s not the worst and his vision and range of passing is under estimated. It’s really not that easy to pick passes; if it was we’d have Diame and Hayden pinging 30 yard passes around. Our other midfielders tend to largely play with their heads down and with a passing range of up to 15 yards or so. Shelvey looks for the more expansive pass, it isn’t always on and he doesn’t always go Hollywood, he usually doesn’t. Rafa obviously doesn’t trust him but I don’t see any sense of letting him go unless we have a confirmed upgrade and that’ll be expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Striker is Slimani according to the Mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Mitro with a point to prove for our relegation rivals is a recipe for typical NUFC irony we're all familiar with. Cue Lua Lua-esque backflips as he scores to keep them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Striker is Slimani according to the Mirror. Would take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Mitro with a point to prove for our relegation rivals is a recipe for typical NUFC irony we're all familiar with. Cue Lua Lua-esque backflips as he scores to keep them up. I suppose he can't score against us at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Striker is Slimani according to the Mirror. Would take. Linked with about 8 clubs so not sure why we have to keep it quiet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Striker is Slimani according to the Mirror. Would take. Barely seen any of him so won't make a judgement. Does he play often for Leicester? Is his scoring record any good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Would prefer to sell Mitro abroad, not comfortable about selling him to a relegation rival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Striker is Slimani according to the Mirror. Would take. Barely seen any of him so won't make a judgement. Does he play often for Leicester? Is his scoring record any good? Hardly played for Leicester but had a good record before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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