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Froggy

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Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

As if that wasn't what I was referring to :lol: Even then you're what? Only just in 2nd place behind Chelsea in gross spend?

 

Chelsea, City, PSG, Barca and Juventus. Most of those have sold well though. Our recruitment under the Glazers has always been an issue. 

 

You're an intelligent man when it comes to football. There's no need for you to try and be as black and white as "Man United spent loads so their fans should be happy. 

 

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Kid Icarus

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1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

Chelsea, City, PSG, Barca and Juventus. Most of those have sold well though. Our recruitment under the Glazers has always been an issue. 

 

You're an intelligent man when it comes to football. There's no need for you to try and be as black and white as "Man United spent loads so their fans should be happy.

 

 

And no need for you to strawman something I haven't and wouldn't say ;)

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1 hour ago, Zero said:

Before or after tax?

I was talking to a guy today who know a professional rugby player, apparently the players set themselves up as LTD companies to fiddle the tax, I.e. no 45% high income tax, I would be very surprised if the footballers don't do the same.

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Away Toon

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Guests on BBC Radio 5 Live's Euro League podcast have been discussing Manchester United's move for Casemiro and the issues it poses.

The 30-year-old Brazilian midfielder would become one of the club's top earners if he decided to join the side currently bottom of the Premier League after two matches.

"It is a surprise move first of all," said Guillem Balague.

"If you think of football reasons for it, do you want a holding midfielder that lives on the edge of the box much more comfortably than in open spaces when actually your manager wants to pressure high and dynamism and quick transitions? I’m not sure Casemiro is your man.

"And yet after the defeat against Brentford, a call was made to Real Madrid and to Casemiro. There have been meetings and the stage we’re in is that conversations are progressing.

"I think Manchester United are surprised the doors are open from Real Madrid that will accept 70m euros and from Casemiro, who will double his wages. It will give him two more years on his contract from 2025 to 2027 – he’s 30 years old.

"It’s Manchester United all over isn’t it, this story?"

Raphael Honigstein added: "I think you can be reactive and still make a good signing so I wouldn’t hold it against them that they’ve started this late and that they have done this maybe in reaction to defeat.

"But my question is the same as Guillem’s – where does he fit in? If you play two midfielders and then a number 10 in front, you can’t have somebody who is out-and-out destructive if you are Manchester United. At Real Madrid it’s a different set-up.

"It does solve part of the problem, but it doesn’t really address the biggest issue which is what do you do with the ball when you have it? How do you progress it? How do you keep that rhythm that United don’t seem to have in midfield?

"As a player you can’t argue against his quality, he will help. But as far as helping Ten Hag with his vision of how this team wants to play and having a set-up that works collectively, it does pose a few questions"

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Groundhog63

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Man U have spent a fortune on top players paying top wages. 

They've just done it poorly. For so long they're left with no dynamic, no vision, no plan. 

The beef with the owners I get but only that they've syphoned off bundles and used the clubs money to buy thd cunt in the 1st place. 

Doing a Donald,  as its known in the trade ?

They still spent all thd resf of the clubs money on players. 

We'd have begged for that. 

 

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Fantail Breeze

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1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said:

That's the beauty of stats though!

 

Your mate says he goes missing but he's in the top percentile or two for numerous statistics which tell us this isn't true. For example he's making 100 touches a game and attempts more passes than 98% of the league.

 

 

 

 

Stats told us Chris Wood would score goals but eyes didn’t and the eyes won that battle.

 

Stats should only ever be used in combination with actually watching players. Players like Colback probably have some decent stats somewhere because all they do is pass the ball sideways and backwards.

 

How many of those attempted passed were successful, for example?

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Milanista

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1 hour ago, MagMal said:

I was talking to a guy today who know a professional rugby player, apparently the players set themselves up as LTD companies to fiddle the tax, I.e. no 45% high income tax, I would be very surprised if the footballers don't do the same.

They've been closing that loophole, they used to do that in the Prem with image rights as a means to circumvent taxes, but that has slowed down considerably.

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Hanshithispantz

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90%

 

Not sure what's going on here anyway Breezy :lol:

 

The point was that a player in the top couple of percentiles for those stats shown cannot possibly go missing often. I'm not using his states to say anything of his quality. 

 

 

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Froggy

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6 minutes ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said:

Hopefully the Leighton Buzzard Reds will be belting big Joel Glazer's name out on Monday night :thup:

 

What song did you sing when Big Mike spent £70m on Joe, ASM and Krath? We'll sing the same one. 

 

 

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Maybe if Man Utd actually had a real sporting director--and not just a "football man" which is code for some old guy who used to treat ACL tears with a wet sponge--but if Man Utd were smart, they would call up Edwards, ask him to name a number he likes, and pay him, then let him take over.

 

I realize I'm going to sound annoying--my apologies--but why do you have to spend money? Casemiro is a great player, but an insane waste of money. 60m transfer fee and 18m salary? Why? Why do that to yourself? It's such an insane waste of money. Antony... for +80m? Why? He's good, but, my Lord.

 

I'm a Milan fan (obviously) and I think what our club has shown is that proper scouting and creating a real environment can fundamentally change a club's fortunes. Liverpool did this with Klopp. I remember when Salah was going up for sale with Roma, (some) Milan fans preferred Suso over him. I remember Salah being described as a "squad player." You could see the talent from a mile away. 42m is a bargain in comparison to what Man Utd is paying for their targets. There's no need to spend. They just become impossible players to shift once they go wrong.

 

De Gea should move on, you need a keeper who can actually handle the ball, De Gea is a great, world-class shot stopper, but he can't do the other things. But how can you move him with those wages? You can't.

 

At Milan we brought in Simon Kjaer, who I did not want, but he was playing at a world-class level for us before tearing his ACL. He's back now, but he was a monster. I thought he was old and past it, but he didn't cost much. So if Arnautovic is who your coach wants, get him. Not sure why every transfer in the EPL has to be for a significant fee in order for it to be seen as quality.

 

There was an AS Roma team that had an insane lineup, if they kept everyone, at one point they could have fielded a team like this: Alisson, Florenzi/Zappacosta, Marquinos, Rudiger, Digne/Emerson; Paredes/Cristante, De Rossi, Nainggolan/Pellegrini; Salah, Dzeko/Patrick Schick, Zaniolo -- some players have retired, but the point is that Roma have let go so many players, because they don't have the money--but so many of those players, like Alisson, Marquinos, Rudiger, Emerson, Paredes, Pellegrini, Salah, Schick, etc etc, they did not come for huge money. There's no reason you have to pay insane amounts to get good players.

 

What is Milan doing? We're building our team like Roma or Napoli, we're just not selling anyone we don't want to, because we don't need to. If Roma didn't need to, they'd have one of the strongest teams in the world. Same with Napoli. Many Milan fans (particularly those in Europe) are opposed to this, because they are confused when we buy some random French CB for 500k and he turns out to be the best U21 defender in the world, and on the road to being a top 10 CB in the world.

 

It's insane to me. And quite frankly, Newcastle have seemed to take on this approach, which confuses everyone, and I don't get it. Don't buy a player just because your fans want a player in that position. Let's say you panic and buy some RW (I see Newcastle fans want a RW) and you don't want to spend 60m or whatever on Diaby, because that's an absurd amount. Great. Then you panic and grab some other kid for 30m, he flops, and now you're stuck with him, great. That's the entire Man Utd cycle, over and over and over again. That's what Barca is doing. The difference is that Man Utd can afford to make these mistakes because they're run, on the commercial side of things, competently. Barca are a shambles.

 

But the hard reset that is required at Old Trafford isn't going to happen when you have Maguire and De Gea and Bruno. You need to buy players for Ten Hag's system, you need to get rid of players who don't fit that system, take the losses, kick them out. Buy players that fit the style you want. Let's say Ten Hag suddenly hates football and retires, there needs to be a system and approach from youth to first team. To Barca's credit, they do that. Milan do that, too. Bayern, as well. That's why players from their academies feature heavily in their system. And if you look at the best teams, in history, including Man Utd's best periods, they had players from their academy.

 

Milan's current captain is a hometown boy, who went to games as a child, and could only afford to sit in the section where Inter fans generally sit (Curva Nord--Milan fans sit in the Curva Sud) and he's not a spectacular player. He's not fast, he's strongish, but he's smart, tactically versatile (can play as a CM), he's a poor man's Lahm, he's not going to get his shirt number retired, but he fits our system. He is probably not going to become world-class, but he's a top 5 RB in Serie A, and he has worked his way to the first team, stuck around to fight for his place, and won it, and the captaincy.

 

So I dunno. I find the idea that you have to spend money to ensure success to be weird. You don't. Why? Because transfers are not just about buying the right players. It's also about developing them, using them properly, and that's why it's weird how City wanted Alexis Sanchez too, but, it's clear the difference in the environment at City and that at Man Utd.

 

Sorry for the length everyone, hope you're all doing well!

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