Bimpy474 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Rafa himself said, a manager would look for around a 70% hit rate with transfers, or something very similar to that and he's spot on that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Rafa himself said, a manager would look for around a 70% hit rate with transfers, or something very similar to that and he's spot on that like. Doubt the likes of Fergie, Mourinho, Guardiola can even achieve that rate with sub-10m signings these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The champions league winning team was mainly houllier's team tbh with a few additions like Luis Garcia. Xabi Alonso as well tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Rafa himself said, a manager would look for around a 70% hit rate with transfers, or something very similar to that and he's spot on that like. Doubt the likes of Fergie, Mourinho, Guardiola can even achieve that rate with sub-10m signings these days. Aye, which seems to pass people by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 easier hit rate when you sign genuine proven quality without being handcuffed, seriously, how are people that fucking thick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 17m biggest signing a decade ago, 12m recently in today's market and an approximate average of about 6m per player or loans more recently and for some it's still 'well Rafa chose them on his list' Of course he had to - sign noone out of protest will he? We don't pay the going rate for players, hence we struggle. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Well obviously. I doubt anyone is saying "Aye, he won the Champions League, but his time at the club is marred because he signed Djimi Traore." Especially as he didn't sign him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 17m biggest signing a decade ago, 12m recently in today's market and an approximate average of about 6m per player or loans more recently and for some it's still 'well Rafa chose them on his list' Of course he had to - sign noone out of protest will he? We don't pay the going rate for players, hence we struggle. Simple as that. "Rondon was Rafas number one target" completely negating his transfer pot was 12p and a half eaten curly wurly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 When a manager is able to buy his top targets then 70% seems reasonable. If any manager is able to achieve 50% when shopping in the gutter i'd say he's smashing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom2 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 That first season Rafa brought in Alonso and Garcia, two important and great players during '05. Lil Luis was frustrating at times but boy he could be magic, loved him. He also brought Nunez and Josemi. What I came to learn about Rafa was that those first two players were keepers, the other two were cheap and wanted just so he had enough bodies. These are the two he would upgrade next season and so on. He went on like this even through the first years of Hicks and Gillet bringing in some great players like Torres etc. Of our midfield at the time we used to sing about them being the best midfield in the world...'W"e've got Xabi Alonso Momo Sissoko Gerrard and Mascherano, it was hard to see a better. Have to say as well, the Spanish players that Rafa brought to our club had fantastic atitudes, good ethics and always likeable. Then H&G started acting like Ashley, taking money out of the club, telling Rafa he had to sell to buy. We were luckier than you in as much as we had a better squad to drop down with, and also, H&G were looking for refinancing. Having fans all over the world helped in our campaign to get rid of them in as much as whenever they entered a finance establishment one of our fans would see them and let everyone on RAWK know. We fans would then send thousands of emails protesting and block their email accounts up. Usually the bank didn't want that bother. I suppose the well supported protests of many kinds that we staged against H&G came easy to us, as we'd been campaigning for Hillsborough justice for a few decades. I love Klopp as a manager but Rafa Benitez will always be a very special person for me. As a man and manager he was one of the best we've ever had. Good luck with your fight against that greedy fat man and hope you get to keep Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Rafa signs a new contract without a whole raft of guarantees, budget, control over the buying and selling of players, training ground and stadium investments and improvements, the state of the academy etc. it will be an absolute disaster for our version of NUFC and the green light for Ashley to stay as long as he likes. So if Ashley remains, even with a personality/business-model transplant (I know...), it can never be our version of NUFC? It can, but a leopard never changes it's spots. I thought during the first 4-5 months of the Championship season were great; Rafa got what he wanted in the summer and Ashley fucked off into the background and we never heard a peep from him. But then he decided to get involved again in that January window and he's been imposing misery ever since. Whenever he's involved he fucks it up and this summer just gone it felt genuinely deliberate. I don't see why that'd change. Was Barnes not appointed between those two windows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 That first season Rafa brought in Alonso and Garcia, two important and great players during '05. Lil Luis was frustrating at times but boy he could be magic, loved him. He also brought Nunez and Josemi. What I came to learn about Rafa was that those first two players were keepers, the other two were cheap and wanted just so he had enough bodies. These are the two he would upgrade next season and so on. He went on like this even through the first years of Hicks and Gillet bringing in some great players like Torres etc. Of our midfield at the time we used to sing about them being the best midfield in the world...'W"e've got Xabi Alonso Momo Sissoko Gerrard and Mascherano, it was hard to see a better. Have to say as well, the Spanish players that Rafa brought to our club had fantastic atitudes, good ethics and always likeable. Then H&G started acting like Ashley, taking money out of the club, telling Rafa he had to sell to buy. We were luckier than you in as much as we had a better squad to drop down with, and also, H&G were looking for refinancing. Having fans all over the world helped in our campaign to get rid of them in as much as whenever they entered a finance establishment one of our fans would see them and let everyone on RAWK know. We fans would then send thousands of emails protesting and block their email accounts up. Usually the bank didn't want that bother. I suppose the well supported protests of many kinds that we staged against H&G came easy to us, as we'd been campaigning for Hillsborough justice for a few decades. I love Klopp as a manager but Rafa Benitez will always be a very special person for me. As a man and manager he was one of the best we've ever had. Good luck with your fight against that greedy fat man and hope you get to keep Rafa. Cheers mate! Hopefully he is here for many years (Rafa and not the fat parasite obviously!)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Rafa signs a new contract without a whole raft of guarantees, budget, control over the buying and selling of players, training ground and stadium investments and improvements, the state of the academy etc. it will be an absolute disaster for our version of NUFC and the green light for Ashley to stay as long as he likes. So if Ashley remains, even with a personality/business-model transplant (I know...), it can never be our version of NUFC? It can, but a leopard never changes it's spots. I thought during the first 4-5 months of the Championship season were great; Rafa got what he wanted in the summer and Ashley fucked off into the background and we never heard a peep from him. But then he decided to get involved again in that January window and he's been imposing misery ever since. Whenever he's involved he fucks it up and this summer just gone it felt genuinely deliberate. I don't see why that'd change. Was Barnes not appointed between those two windows? Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Rafa signs a new contract without a whole raft of guarantees, budget, control over the buying and selling of players, training ground and stadium investments and improvements, the state of the academy etc. it will be an absolute disaster for our version of NUFC and the green light for Ashley to stay as long as he likes. So if Ashley remains, even with a personality/business-model transplant (I know...), it can never be our version of NUFC? It can, but a leopard never changes it's spots. I thought during the first 4-5 months of the Championship season were great; Rafa got what he wanted in the summer and Ashley fucked off into the background and we never heard a peep from him. But then he decided to get involved again in that January window and he's been imposing misery ever since. Whenever he's involved he fucks it up and this summer just gone it felt genuinely deliberate. I don't see why that'd change. Was Barnes not appointed between those two windows? Aye. Yeah - Rafa had deals lined up for Townsend, Loftus-Cheek and another who I can't recall in the January to cement our promotion and build for the Premier League but was told that we already had enough as we were top - clueless ferkwits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Rafa signs a new contract without a whole raft of guarantees, budget, control over the buying and selling of players, training ground and stadium investments and improvements, the state of the academy etc. it will be an absolute disaster for our version of NUFC and the green light for Ashley to stay as long as he likes. So if Ashley remains, even with a personality/business-model transplant (I know...), it can never be our version of NUFC? It can, but a leopard never changes it's spots. I thought during the first 4-5 months of the Championship season were great; Rafa got what he wanted in the summer and Ashley fucked off into the background and we never heard a peep from him. But then he decided to get involved again in that January window and he's been imposing misery ever since. Whenever he's involved he fucks it up and this summer just gone it felt genuinely deliberate. I don't see why that'd change. Was Barnes not appointed between those two windows? Aye. Yeah - Rafa had deals lined up for Townsend, Loftus-Cheek and another who I can't recall in the January to cement our promotion and build for the Premier League but was told that we already had enough as we were top - clueless ferkwits. Utterly unbelievable (well, not really with them twats in power). We'd have romped to the title and already had a PL ready team needing slight tweaks in the summer instead of the overhaul that we still need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Mental to think of what he is trying to keep us up with! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yeah but... wages and agent fees! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Still seems staggering to me that we were spending more on strikers in Kevin Keegan's first spell in the Premier ( or old 1st Division) than we are now. Pretty sure we spent £6m on Ferdinand and probably Paul Kitson too...and he was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Still seems staggering to me that we were spending more on strikers in Kevin Keegan's first spell in the Premier ( or old 1st Division) than we are now. Pretty sure we spent £6m on Ferdinand and probably Paul Kitson too...and he was shite. Keegan spent pretty much the equivalent on Andy Cole (£1.75m) when we were in the second division way back in 1993. It's a shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Still seems staggering to me that we were spending more on strikers in Kevin Keegan's first spell in the Premier ( or old 1st Division) than we are now. Pretty sure we spent £6m on Ferdinand and probably Paul Kitson too...and he was shite. Keegan spent pretty much the equivalent on Andy Cole (£1.75m) when we were in the second division way back in 1993. It's a shambles. Ashley hasn't even beaten the price we paid for Shearer in 1996 ffs, never mind the fee for Owen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Mental to think of what he is trying to keep us up with! Most teams have ONE player that cost more than that ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Mental to think of what he is trying to keep us up with! Most teams have ONE player that cost more than that ffs. It’s absolutely ridiculous - cheers again Mike! Fat wanker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Only reason I want us to stay up is that I don't want this relegation on Rafa's record. He doesn't deserve it. The first it was too late to make a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Tactically spot on imo. Should have been something like 4-2 on big chances. He knows how to spot a defender and get a lot out of them as well like, Christ. Lejeune, Schar, Fernandez would walk into most of the NUFC teams I've seen over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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