Raconteur Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If it was June 2018 right now we'd rightly be saying that virtually everyone to a man has improved enormously since Rafa first came in. Diame was on another level, Shelvey was consistently good, Perez always dangerous, Gayle found a way to look like a forward fit for the league, Dummett was doing well, Yedlin better, Ritchie also (at least compared with his form in the first half of last season). Even the likes of Joselu were coming off the bench and doing a job. Why they've regressed/stagnated/burned-out is another discussion but to insinuate that Rafa can't improve players is an insult to the man and this squad, who for two years basically did a tremendous job. Motivation due to the club having no ambition. We had something to play for in his first two full seasons under Rafa, promotion and the league title and then staying up during the first season back then what? Same again lads? Just do the bare minimum to try and keep the SD adverts on prime time TV. Just doesn't work unless you build on the momentum and push on. Blame lies at Ashley's door. I suspect players don't think like that, more along the lines that the better they play the more likely a move to a bigger club/contract. They must be incredibly self-motivated to get where they are. If you're unable team who sell all their best players then maybe, but not sure if the summer was as negative as that. They will not consciously think like that but it will have a big impact on them. Collective desire and motivation and momentum are massive in football. Shouldn't be underestimated the impact it has where there's not much to play for beyond what you've already achieved when that in itself is not exactly something special. The fact that these workers know their outstanding boss is leaving, likely to be replaced with someone much less skilled, would surely have most people concerned about the future, no matter what industry you’re in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Sign a one year extension and I will give you some money. Isn’t that standard fair though? It’s been on offer all the time just longer? Another bullshit story that Rafa clearly would never go for. Wish he’d just leave , Ashley can’t be beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If it was June 2018 right now we'd rightly be saying that virtually everyone to a man has improved enormously since Rafa first came in. Diame was on another level, Shelvey was consistently good, Perez always dangerous, Gayle found a way to look like a forward fit for the league, Dummett was doing well, Yedlin better, Ritchie also (at least compared with his form in the first half of last season). Even the likes of Joselu were coming off the bench and doing a job. Why they've regressed/stagnated/burned-out is another discussion but to insinuate that Rafa can't improve players is an insult to the man and this squad, who for two years basically did a tremendous job. Motivation due to the club having no ambition. We had something to play for in his first two full seasons under Rafa, promotion and the league title and then staying up during the first season back then what? Same again lads? Just do the bare minimum to try and keep the SD adverts on prime time TV. Just doesn't work unless you build on the momentum and push on. Blame lies at Ashley's door. I suspect players don't think like that, more along the lines that the better they play the more likely a move to a bigger club/contract. They must be incredibly self-motivated to get where they are. If you're unable team who sell all their best players then maybe, but not sure if the summer was as negative as that. They will not consciously think like that but it will have a big impact on them. Collective desire and motivation and momentum are massive in football. Shouldn't be underestimated the impact it has where there's not much to play for beyond what you've already achieved when that in itself is not exactly something special. The fact that these workers know their outstanding boss is leaving, likely to be replaced with someone much less skilled, would surely have most people concerned about the future, no matter what industry you’re in. Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 It's not that bad, I was going to say 12yr old kid but thought it was a bit much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 The fact that these workers know their outstanding boss is leaving, likely to be replaced with someone much less skilled, would surely have most people concerned about the future, no matter what industry you’re in. Absolutely. It's reason I think we'll go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If it was June 2018 right now we'd rightly be saying that virtually everyone to a man has improved enormously since Rafa first came in. Diame was on another level, Shelvey was consistently good, Perez always dangerous, Gayle found a way to look like a forward fit for the league, Dummett was doing well, Yedlin better, Ritchie also (at least compared with his form in the first half of last season). Even the likes of Joselu were coming off the bench and doing a job. Why they've regressed/stagnated/burned-out is another discussion but to insinuate that Rafa can't improve players is an insult to the man and this squad, who for two years basically did a tremendous job. Motivation due to the club having no ambition. We had something to play for in his first two full seasons under Rafa, promotion and the league title and then staying up during the first season back then what? Same again lads? Just do the bare minimum to try and keep the SD adverts on prime time TV. Just doesn't work unless you build on the momentum and push on. Blame lies at Ashley's door. I suspect players don't think like that, more along the lines that the better they play the more likely a move to a bigger club/contract. They must be incredibly self-motivated to get where they are. If you're unable team who sell all their best players then maybe, but not sure if the summer was as negative as that. They will not consciously think like that but it will have a big impact on them. Collective desire and motivation and momentum are massive in football. Shouldn't be underestimated the impact it has where there's not much to play for beyond what you've already achieved when that in itself is not exactly something special. You could say the same about 12-14 clubs in the premiership. Nor do you hear of any players clamouring for a move (Hayden aside which is non football related). They might be behind the scenes I suppose but suspect with agents it would be pretty obious. Suspect a lot of our players know their limit and are satisfied at the moment. If Rafa leaves that might change of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If it was June 2018 right now we'd rightly be saying that virtually everyone to a man has improved enormously since Rafa first came in. Diame was on another level, Shelvey was consistently good, Perez always dangerous, Gayle found a way to look like a forward fit for the league, Dummett was doing well, Yedlin better, Ritchie also (at least compared with his form in the first half of last season). Even the likes of Joselu were coming off the bench and doing a job. Why they've regressed/stagnated/burned-out is another discussion but to insinuate that Rafa can't improve players is an insult to the man and this squad, who for two years basically did a tremendous job. Motivation due to the club having no ambition. We had something to play for in his first two full seasons under Rafa, promotion and the league title and then staying up during the first season back then what? Same again lads? Just do the bare minimum to try and keep the SD adverts on prime time TV. Just doesn't work unless you build on the momentum and push on. Blame lies at Ashley's door. I suspect players don't think like that, more along the lines that the better they play the more likely a move to a bigger club/contract. They must be incredibly self-motivated to get where they are. If you're unable team who sell all their best players then maybe, but not sure if the summer was as negative as that. They will not consciously think like that but it will have a big impact on them. Collective desire and motivation and momentum are massive in football. Shouldn't be underestimated the impact it has where there's not much to play for beyond what you've already achieved when that in itself is not exactly something special. The fact that these workers know their outstanding boss is leaving, likely to be replaced with someone much less skilled, would surely have most people concerned about the future, no matter what industry you’re in. Absolutely. Footballers know they are one bad performance from being dropped and a string of bad results leads to a new manager. They won't be thinking past the next 5 months. Half the squad will probably be thinking a new manager gives then the opportunity to get a 1st team place. But whatever, you might be right. Guess we'll see when the whole squad hand in transfer request in the next 3 weeks or summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If it was June 2018 right now we'd rightly be saying that virtually everyone to a man has improved enormously since Rafa first came in. Diame was on another level, Shelvey was consistently good, Perez always dangerous, Gayle found a way to look like a forward fit for the league, Dummett was doing well, Yedlin better, Ritchie also (at least compared with his form in the first half of last season). Even the likes of Joselu were coming off the bench and doing a job. Why they've regressed/stagnated/burned-out is another discussion but to insinuate that Rafa can't improve players is an insult to the man and this squad, who for two years basically did a tremendous job. Motivation due to the club having no ambition. We had something to play for in his first two full seasons under Rafa, promotion and the league title and then staying up during the first season back then what? Same again lads? Just do the bare minimum to try and keep the SD adverts on prime time TV. Just doesn't work unless you build on the momentum and push on. Blame lies at Ashley's door. I suspect players don't think like that, more along the lines that the better they play the more likely a move to a bigger club/contract. They must be incredibly self-motivated to get where they are. If you're unable team who sell all their best players then maybe, but not sure if the summer was as negative as that. They will not consciously think like that but it will have a big impact on them. Collective desire and motivation and momentum are massive in football. Shouldn't be underestimated the impact it has where there's not much to play for beyond what you've already achieved when that in itself is not exactly something special. The fact that these workers know their outstanding boss is leaving, likely to be replaced with someone much less skilled, would surely have most people concerned about the future, no matter what industry you’re in. True, but that doesn't explain Lascelles' sudden downturn in form. He had no idea Benitez was leaving so what's his excuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Do we actually see a lack of effort from the players anyway? I'd say the application is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 True, but that doesn't explain Lascelles' sudden downturn in form. He had no idea Benitez was leaving so what's his excuse? I think that one's explained by a level of naivety from him. When he was persuaded to make a statement in support of Ashley he simply hadn't realised the backlash he was going to get. He was the supporters hero, they waved a giant flag with his face on, and then Bishop whispers in his ear ala Wormtongue how he could ease a lot of pressure if he just persuaded some of the fans Ashley wasn't all bad. Going from hero to villain was likely a bit of a shock and still mentally effecting him now. Viable theory? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 True, but that doesn't explain Lascelles' sudden downturn in form. He had no idea Benitez was leaving so what's his excuse? I think that one's explained by a level of naivety from him. When he was persuaded to make a statement in support of Ashley he simply hadn't realised the backlash he was going to get. He was the supporters hero, they waved a giant flag with his face on, and then Bishop whispers in his ear ala Wormtongue how he could ease a lot of pressure if he just persuaded some of the fans Ashley wasn't all bad. Going from hero to villain was likely a bit of a shock and still mentally effecting him now. Viable theory? Certainly something in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I would have thought the squad we have this season would be slightly better than last season's, Ki, Rondon, Fernandez, Schar, Muto should be upgrades on what we already had. Although other clubs have obviously strengthened as well there is no way that Rafa is getting anything like as much out of this years lot than last season's. Not sure why but I'll be very surprised if we don't go down this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I back Rafa. I always have. It's a fucking piss take the scraps he has to work with. I'm happy with the away form as I previously said. Tactics work well, we've only been beaten off Top 6 teams. The Fulham and Blackburn homes games have been dire. 8 goals in 12 home games is wank. I'm not saying we need to go all out attack but we surely we can push up pitch a bit more, and become a bit more attacking. Appreciate he is working with shite but baffled how little Muto has played this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I back Rafa. I always have. It's a fucking piss take the scraps he has to work with. I'm happy with the away form as I previously said. Tactics work well, we've only been beaten off Top 6 teams. The Fulham and Blackburn homes games have been dire. 8 goals in 12 home games is wank. I'm not saying we need to go all out attack but we surely we can push up pitch a bit more, and become a bit more attacking. Appreciate he is working with shite but baffled how little Muto has played this season. We sat too far back last night and against Fulham, it doesn't make sense and it's costing us. We need to be further up the pitch against Cardiff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 True, but that doesn't explain Lascelles' sudden downturn in form. He had no idea Benitez was leaving so what's his excuse? I think that one's explained by a level of naivety from him. When he was persuaded to make a statement in support of Ashley he simply hadn't realised the backlash he was going to get. He was the supporters hero, they waved a giant flag with his face on, and then Bishop whispers in his ear ala Wormtongue how he could ease a lot of pressure if he just persuaded some of the fans Ashley wasn't all bad. Going from hero to villain was likely a bit of a shock and still mentally effecting him now. Viable theory? Certainly something in that. agree I'd say that's pretty spot on, I would imagine he's lost a lot of respect in the dressing room too with that, that could affect him and players relationships with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I back Rafa. I always have. It's a fucking piss take the scraps he has to work with. I'm happy with the away form as I previously said. Tactics work well, we've only been beaten off Top 6 teams. The Fulham and Blackburn homes games have been dire. 8 goals in 12 home games is wank. I'm not saying we need to go all out attack but we surely we can push up pitch a bit more, and become a bit more attacking. Appreciate he is working with shite but baffled how little Muto has played this season. We sat too far back last night and against Fulham, it doesn't make sense and it's costing us. We need to be further up the pitch against Cardiff. Cardiff are as slow as we are so it’d be daft not too, blitz em early with booing and bricking of the players if they don’t score in the first then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Do we actually see a lack of effort from the players anyway? I'd say the application is there. Agreed, although I think there are question marks over Kenedy. Otherwise the players are just not that good, they work hard enough IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rafa getting closer and closer to the Leicester job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rafa getting closer and closer to the Leicester job He'll leave at the end of the season, not now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rafa getting closer and closer to the Leicester job He'll leave at the end of the season, not now. If Leicester offer pound notes Ashley will sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rafa getting closer and closer to the Leicester job He'll leave at the end of the season, not now. If Leicester offer pound notes Ashley will sack him. leicester will pay compo like palace did with pards and jabba will cream in his everlast undies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Not sure Leicester would be a great job for him to take considering they are 7th and their manager is under pressure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If they're wanting rid of Puel because they don't like his style of play, then I doubt rafa is the answer they're looking for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Rafa getting closer and closer to the Leicester job Good. Hope he announces his intention to leave at the end of the season. Newcastle is going nowhere under Mike Ashley... well apart from relegation, and rightly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Best all round if he just goes and we can get on with waking up some zombies and burning the club to the ground! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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