TRon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: Rafa's managed Everton for 9 more games than Howe has Newcastle. What people have seen in those 9 games - or the 10 that's Howe's managed - that makes them think that Howe is emphatically the better choice than Rafa? As for "we shouldn't go back", well why not? I've not heard a single decent reason that doesn't border on just plain superstition. Better football to watch long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said: It's reactionary bullshit, I think some people live in a dream world. I backed Rafa 100% when he was here, but the football was not good to watch, but he was a good man and deserved to be given respect. Same goes for Howe though. He was brought in yesterday, and you only have to look at how shit the rest of the team look compared to Trippier to see what he's up against. I have my doubts as well, but I refuse to judge him on someone else's players. Yep and also the Trippier thing is very true. He looked way above the rest of the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: Not sure what your point is It's a question, not a point. Is talking about bringing Rafa in to stop us getting relegated more embarrassing than getting relegated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Don’t see the value in bringing him back, unfortunately most of the players he had last time are still here and some of the more influential voices seemed delighted when he walked away. Don’t think he’d have any positive impact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Dr Venkman said: It's a question, not a point. Is talking about bringing Rafa in to stop us getting relegated more embarrassing than getting relegated? There's no guarantee he'd stop us getting relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, TRon said: There's no guarantee he'd stop us getting relegated. Yes, I know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said: It's a question, not a point. Is talking about bringing Rafa in to stop us getting relegated more embarrassing than getting relegated? So your question is: if we bring Benitez in we wont get relegated but it could be embarrassing or is it more embarrassing to just get relegated under Howe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 If the main objective this season is to avoid relegation, Rafa is infinitely better equipped to get this shit show playing together. Long term thereafter is a different proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 We need wins really. It took Rafa two months to get a win last time he came with a much better side. We don't really have time to appoint someone who starts slow and takes a while to implement his ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Thomson Mouse said: So your question is: if we bring Benitez in we wont get relegated but it could be embarrassing or is it more embarrassing to just get relegated under Howe? Nah mate, my question is the one in the post you quoted. You've not bothered to answer it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, toon25 said: If the main objective this season is to avoid relegation, Rafa is infinitely better equipped to get this shit show playing together. Long term thereafter is a different proposition. I would have agreed before this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I think most importantly is getting shrewd football appointments in the right places at boardroom/admin level. Once that’s done the rest follows I would prefer Rafa for the challenge that lies ahead this season out of the two. I would feel confident he’d get us promoted too. really I’d like us to appoint the next Benitez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said: Nah mate, my question is the one in the post you quoted. You've not bothered to answer it though. It’s a pointless scenario as we haven’t been relegated yet. If you’re meaning is talk of bringing Rafa in now to try and avoid relegation embarrassing , then yes it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 No to him now. I do reckon he’ll come in as an Interim Manager at some point in the next 4-5 years though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic Edited January 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Robster said: Exactly where I am at. I know we shouldn't bring Rafa back but at the same time, I want to shine a Batman-esque Rafa sign in the sky to ask for help. Aye, like we know something isn't right. And we know that there's ways to sort it. We can all theorise what those ways are but at the end of the day we need to do SOMETHING Getting Rafa in some way would be something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic I agree to a point. But we're in deep, deep shit as a club. If it was June and we were looking at a new season in the premier league I wouldn't be arguing for him, it's the context of the relegation battle and the probable championship season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic See I’d disagree wit that to a point. I’d have supported his football style to have his long-term behind the scenes vision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic So would you have chosen or choose Howe as that man ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. He’s trying to get Steve Bruce’s squad to play an entirely new brand of football (that is, to actually get them playing football). Hopefully it’ll take before we’re relegated, but if not he deserves the chance to build his own team from the Championship. Edited January 16, 2022 by Tomato Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic Even when we had him the first time I wasn't particularly buzzin tbh. I mean I was, but you know what I mean, I always want free flowing football. It's great watching your team win but it's better being actually entertained. Howe seems a perfect fit if there's a top class footballing structure around him, it's just a pity he's probably going to get us relegated before that happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Aye, like we know something isn't right. And we know that there's ways to sort it. We can all theorise what those ways are but at the end of the day we need to do SOMETHING Getting Rafa in some way would be something. That something needs to be recognising the shortcomings in the squad and rectifying them by paying for the top targets. Not hanging onto the romanticisation of a manager who was last here 2 and a half years ago and has failed in both his jobs since in that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tomato Deuce said: “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tomato Deuce said: “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. In a nutshell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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